Quote from: Ronan- on June 20, 2015, 04:59:45 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on June 20, 2015, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: Ronan- on June 20, 2015, 04:15:50 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on June 20, 2015, 04:02:26 PM

what Gavin's XT proposal does is not only automate out financiers, banksters, politicians, & corrupt gvts, but also DEVS.

esp a few core devs who think they know better.

and that, imo, is a worthy goal.

Quote from: cypherdoc on June 20, 2015, 04:10:45 PM

heads up.

the anti Gavin guys have taken to a new strategy on Reddit to push upvoted primary comments DOWN. that's by sub-commenting negatively and heavily in the top most upvoted comment so ppl read their negative shit first near the top. phantomcircuit (Strateman from Blockstream) and BitFast (Greenaddress skeptic) are filling up Gavin's thread with this strategy.

Reddit is already heavily astroturfed in favor of Gavin's strategy. Which if does include pushing other devs out is deeply wrong. I was on the fence before but I cannot support Gavin if he is trying to become the king of bitcoin. Its fundamentally anti-bitcoin and everything we stand for. What does this all come from? The aggressive need to scale so we can bubble again? Since when has this community become so greedy.

you miss the whole pt of what i said.

Gavin is ALSO trying to automate out HIMSELF.

if you've observed Gavin carefully ever since he was given the keys by Satoshi, he has always been much more optimistic and hands off with Bitcoin than all the other core devs who just obsess all day long about what's wrong with Bitcoin and what they should be doing about it. Gavin, being the understanding leader that he is, simply let those guys go off and tinker at the edges for the longest time. now, when the block size limit continues to be hit, he HAS to step up and take charge to prevent repeated DoS'ing of the network. in the meantime, what was entirely unpredictable was a faction of core dev going off and creating their own private for profit company which actually depends on deprecating/choking Bitcoin Core.

his vision with XT, which i entirely agree with, is to get it to a point where it upgrades itself over time to keep up with internet capacity. he doesn't want this shitfest debate coming up again. that's not good news for devs who gotta dev.

this is a worthy goal.

Given the keys by Satoshi? Even you are blindly repeating that? Satoshi only gave him the alert keys, the metaphorical keys you speak of do not exist. Gavin took advantage of Satoshi's disappearance by repeating that same story over and over again of Satoshi putting his email on the website like it means he is Satoshi's heir. There is no such position in bitcoin anyways.

What you portray as 'going off to tinker' and 'obsessing' is creating solutions and being cautious about modifying what is like changing the function of a car engine while the car is moving. This hyperbole betrays the weakness of your position, only the weak side resorts to such in a discussion. The network has been DoSed, but not significantly and in any capacity to impact more than most users. Deprecating/choking bitcoin core? How? By moving wealth (that probably wasn't already there due to an inadequacy) from something bitcoin can't do well or can't do at all into a sidechain? The only choking is of possible future financial wealth, which shows stake in the game.

what's ridiculous is your claim in bold.

if it was so controversial, why hasn't your point come up before? i've never heard any of the other core devs spouting your allegations, even now.