Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

hilariousandco, sorry, if nobody responded to your first messages about cheating members. Now they will not be without replying, you have already got replies to last messages, for example, about those 4 cheaters. It's already time to forget, that smb didnt answer somewhen

It's hard to understand you completely, but there were several messages you never replied to going back a couple of weeks. You replied very late to the users abusing your campaign and in the meantime the others continued to post rubbish and some are still seemingly getting paid.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

Now there are some people writing from this account. And there is a person, which manages with Campaign. And actually this person exists already for some time.

You may or may not have a campaign manager, but if you do then they're not doing a very good job and/or are not very active.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

We are with attention to quality of posts, which our participants write in our Campaign. Why do you think we don't care? Why do you think, these small cheaters got paid?

When you don't respond to my messages it looks like you either don't care or are too busy to act swiftly and appropriately. If you cared you would get on top of it. Having users spam looks bad for your business, reputation, and most importantly has a very negative effect on this forum.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

Cheaters can not exist for long time and write a lot of posts, because community of forum notices everything. It's like alive system

Yes, they might not exist for long but they exist a lot longer when there's an unresponsive campaign manager and they shit all over the forum in the days it takes you to respond. If you were keeping an eye on your campaign you would likely be the first person to spot abuse.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

And yes, posts are count by bot in general, but in random order we check quality of posts manually, especially it concerns new participants.

I'm not so sure about that. I could probably find plenty of users right now that are still getting paid for poor quality posts.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

But most part of our members are already our friends and we know quality of their posts. They are part of forum' community and we are glad to be in the same community.

That's great and all, but friends don't cheat or abuse their friends. If you're glad to be a part of the community do your bit to help it get better. Signature spam is a real problem and it's the campaign managers fault because you are actively encouraging people to spam by paying for posts with no quality control or consequences for spamming. When a user realises he can get a way with making poor posts what do you think happens? Their posts get worse and the quantity goes up and you keep paying them for it.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

And cheaters are just small cheaters, which often don't get even 20 minimal posts... Actually, it's not so easy to cheat us

That's all arguable. It seems very easy to cheat your campaign actually.

Quote from: coinomat.com on June 22, 2015, 02:50:52 PM

Especially with our friends-members and participants of our team, which give us additional information about such members.
So... Cheesy

Thank you, friends, for your attention, topic and this discussion

I'm glad they are, but that doesn't mean you should be relying on others to do your job for you. You are very slow to respond to warnings of spammers and troublemakers and I know this first hand, not to mention other users have said the same thing after they reported users to you.

Quote from: Malin Keshar on June 22, 2015, 09:02:25 PM

Why he is not being called scammer and receiving red trust too?

Is it something personal or what?

EDIT:

he got paid: https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/058c01f14fb7ca1c670126a46da8b94aa6b575df37f0981f0371f0fde4baf352

1E9gUv3UHcEkV1h7p67VYoLbMxbWEcJmha is the address used for Coinomat's payments

He's probably banned, though his abuse is harder to verify for certain. Although it's likely he is trying to cheat, it's impossible to say for sure.

Quote from: brunoshady on June 22, 2015, 09:47:08 PM

Quote from: GannickusX on June 22, 2015, 11:10:39 AM

Its not only about the bot that can be bypassed its also that coinomat seems not to care too much about what users in their signature campaign post, this user its obviously posting trash and insubstantial posts not to mention the fact that he is cheating the system, coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

As easy as this sounds, its very hard, almost no-one here has time to go through the posts of all the users of a campaign, not will it only take alot of time but they will have to know multiple languages to efficiently judge spam, you should think about things like those before criticizing their campaign

Some jobs are hard and require you to actually put in the work. If you're not willing to do it yourself either hire someone, cut your campaign down to a manageable size or cease your signature campaign altogether. You could purchase forum ad slots if you wish. Running a signature campaign is hard work if done properly, but people like guitarplinker do it right. If you're worried about multiple languages don't pay people for posts in local boards.

Quote from: tspacepilot on June 24, 2015, 05:09:06 AM

Quote from: Lorenzo on June 24, 2015, 04:54:15 AM

EDIT: Are embedded images also counted as characters? How about URLs? If they are counted then it's possible that someone could insert 1x1 pixel images or single character hyperlinks to their posts to make it look as though it's longer than it actually is.

The thing is that people who do this aren't really going to last long at it. Sooner or later someone is going to hit "quote" and then "WTF are all these images?" and then busted. And then you're going to be in a lot of shit because you're clearly trying to game the system. It's really pretty foolish, IMO. I mean you may get away with this silliness for a little bit of time but in the long run it's clear that it's going to cost you a lot when you consider all you could have made by not getting negative trust and removed from the campaign and labelled as a cheater.

Any technique that relies on putting weird stuff into a post so that a bot will read it is going to fail in this way as soon as someone clicks the quote button.

9/10 they will get caught eventually and likely ruin or have their account banned all together, but it doesn't stop people trying and shitting up the forum in the meantime. People are getting sneakier at cheating as well in multiple ways, especially by copying and pasting relevant responses from google or earlier on in the thread. These are harder to spot but they're getting more common.

Quote from: XinXan on June 24, 2015, 05:53:43 AM

i can tell you that some of them like bit mixer have really good managers and they never had problems with their users,

That's arguable. They have had cheaters and they still have a lot of shitposters but most people are moving from bitmixer to others though because other campaigns pay a lot more.

Quote from: XinXan on June 24, 2015, 05:53:43 AM

there is people who have time to search trough all posts if he is hired to do it(campaign manager) if they cant hire a manager and they dont have time to do it themselves then they shouldnt start a campaign

Agreed. There are plenty of people who would look after the campaign and actually do what a campaign manager should do (myself included). It would be better to kick spammers off your campaign and get it down to a manageable level and use the money saved to pay a campaign manager than just let it run wild. Most will do it for 0.1 a month but bigger campaigns should get paid more than that.