Quote from: deisik on June 23, 2015, 11:55:19 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 23, 2015, 11:43:02 AM

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Quote from: deisik on June 23, 2015, 10:53:39 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 23, 2015, 08:13:26 AM

each time someone get a profit from trading there is someone that lose something in it

This is just plain wrong, sorry. That would hold true for a Ponzi style investments, that is, a zero sum game. Since Bitcoin has uses beyond sheer speculation (that of "buy low sell high"), this immediately renders such statements invalid. Someone sells a bitcoin with a profit, and someone else buys it, then the price drops. It appears that the latter is suffering losses, but if he is not going to speculate but use it beyond the exchange (say, to pay for services), the matter becomes more complicated. And it may turn out that everyone wins in the end, despite the price decrease...

My thoughts exactly, if I want to buy 5 BTC right now because I need it to purchase something, then I consider it a win, without considering if the price is 229.456 or 229.449 $/BTC. So you perhaps win on this trade and think that I have lost, but it is not true. My aim was to get the 5 BTC, regardless of the minor fluctuations on which you make some profit.

If you buy now 5 btc and spent them immediately then you dont win and dont loose at the same time.

unless the price change suddently, and you don't have the time to sell it, maybe you're in the same time, also unlucky with the confirmation that will delay your deposit

You, guys, still seem to be missing the whole idea of what I was trying to convey. You are obstinately trying to judge the result of a trade from a solely financial point of view whereas this is not always applicable. And in real life (apart from purified trading where things are simple or even primitive), this is not the case in the majority of situations...

deisik mean that , for example when he bought 5 btc the price of btc from that time is may we say that $240 per 1 btc and when he spend it the price of his coins was higher than he bought it, so its mean or he could say that he won from that way.