Quote from: deisik on June 25, 2015, 07:57:47 PM

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The church does lie, as it tells people xyz will happen when they die, and they tell it as fact.
It's okay to guess however, but the church doesn't tell it's listeners it's just wildly guessing, it's falsely presented as fact.

Nobody knows what happens when we die.

Nobody.

Anyone or anything that claims "they/it knows" is lying and should be ignored.

But we could speculate. For example, is the state of non-being that preceded our birth (or the state before we became conscious) is the same state that might expect us after we cease to be? Is either of these states (or, rather, non-states) is somehow similar to a state of deep sleep, or any other state that involves complete unconsciousness, for that matter?

Yeah we can speculate, that's all we can do. I guess everyone has done that, maybe even animals do?

And my take on this is that these states are actually the same state of just being unconscious. You could argue that being unconscious for a few hours is not quite the same as being unconscious for eternity, but then I will argue back that there is no such thing as subjectively experienced (or, strictly speaking, non-experienced) eternity at all. My argument is that whenever you insist on future eternal unconsciousness (for example), you should deal with the past "eternal" unconsciousness as well...

Yeah makes sense to think about before we was born as well. Is it the same state as after our death? No idea.