XRP ( RIPPLE ) Discussion - All about XRP

Quote from: canth on January 18, 2015, 02:52:12 PM

Quote from: mihtju on January 17, 2015, 05:58:14 PM

XRP ( RIPPLE ) Discussion - All about XRP

What do you think guys about RIPPLE, are they good for long term investment?
And about XRP(BTC) to BTC, how fast and where I can exchange XRP to BTC instantly?

BTC are distributed by math. XRP are distributed by 3 guys at their whim. XRP could still be a good long term investment, but I wouldn't bet on it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=873723.msg9661686#msg9661686

Quote from: markm on June 26, 2015, 11:23:58 AM

Folks here were given 50k ripples way back when, so maybe feel that suffices as their minimum gamble on ripple, especially with prices higher now than they've been in some time.

Does anyone here though know about ripple private keys? Their IRC channel folk seem to be totally ignorant. A long time ago it apparently used to be that you had to run a ripple daemon of your own if you wanted your private keys to actually stay private. Is that stil the case or do clients now do all their own encryption so the ripple daemons they connect to never see private keys?

It seems ominous that there does not seem to be info anywhere about your private keys and why not to give them to third parties and stuff like that. Does the rippletrade website get your keys? It says nothing about your browser doing all the encryption nor, if it does, how to ensure the javascript it does it with has not been corrupted etc...

Is there even going to be privacy/security, or are they moving to a model where authorities hold your keys so they can reverse your transactions or whatever they want with your money?

-MarkM-

Quote from: Sukrim on June 26, 2015, 12:17:27 PM

Which IRC channel are you talking about? Anyways, yes, you can of course still run rippled (https://github.com/ripple/rippled) to directly connect to the P2P backend, you can also locally deploy the client that also powers rippletrade.com (https://github.com/ripple/ripple-client) if you don't want to get the JavaScript served from Ripple Labs' servers or you can use ripple-lib to write your own client (or interface directly with rippled or a different API endpoint like RippleREST).

The security model of rippletrade.com is similar to blockchain.info: Your private key gets encrypted locally with a username + password and stored (encrypted) at a third party server (aka. "blobvault"). Source code for all components is available under a free license, in case you are wondering.

You have to trust rippletrade.com to serve you the correct JavaScript (it is ensured that you are actually talking to them via TLS), otherwise you can also host the code locally of course or write your own client.

The crypto is very similar to Bitcoin (same ECDSA curve, but seems like "soon" DJB's ed25519 curve will also be supported for signatures/keys, same base58 encoding primitives for addresses and other user-exposed binary data), so it shouldn't be too hard for you to verify what happens behind the scenes.

Authorities are not holding your keys and (unless you have a very simple user<-->password combo) also can't access them if they get a hold of the blobvault. Even if you own a private key of a third party, you can not reverse transactions (just like in Bitcoin), you can only transfer or trade what you already own, not what you have owned at a certain point in time.

Privacy is a different matter, since Ripple operates on balances, not references to previous transaction outputs it is relatively hard to "launder" money there compared to e.g. CoinJoin. This might chnage in the future, since the next larger feature is going to be Multisign afaik. which would allow several accounts to bundle their payments and thus obscuring individual money flows. In general it is possible to buy XRP anonymously and keep your account off the radar, once you really want to use Ripple itself though and not just play around with XRP, you might have a similarly hard time as with using Bitcoin really anonymous.

Quote from: canth on November 26, 2014, 01:40:07 PM

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Quote from: hayabusa911 on November 26, 2014, 03:33:16 AM

Did I procrastinate and miss the bandwagon? Would it be a mistake to invest at this point or should I jump on it?
All opinions are welcome!

Would you trust 2-3 people with the distribution of 90% of the XRP? If you have faith that they'll distribute it fairly and generally do the right thing, then by all means, buy it up.

https://www.ripplelabs.com/xrp-distribution/

I would rather trust three individuals who are known than one individual who holds ~1M BTC and is anonymous. Laws and common sense prevent the Ripple founders from dumping their allocated XRP, nothing stops Satoshi (since you have no idea who or what he represents - NSA? African drug lord? etc).

Satoshi owns possibly 7% of all the BTC mined so far and less than 5% of the total. Chris Larsen, Arthur Britto and Jed McCaleb still control (mostly Larsen) control over 90% of XRP. Really poor comparison - nice try though!

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on November 27, 2014, 07:53:33 AM

I avoid Stellar and XRP.