Quote from: Okurkabinladin on June 24, 2015, 07:37:40 AM

Quote from: countryfree on June 23, 2015, 11:15:59 PM

Quote from: Okurkabinladin on June 23, 2015, 11:14:23 AM

Countryfree,

I respectfully disagree. If authorities are indeed shocked, it is by massive (yet, still pasive) resistance from natives, not by human waves from south.

What resistance from natives? I've never seen that. In Calais, I've seen French people giving food and medical care to migrants. You can see them at work everyday. Yes, they are natives complaining, but I've never seen nor heard about a demonstration against the migrants. It's all silent.

Quote from: tvbcof on June 23, 2015, 04:56:44 PM

One way for leaders to achieve increased control over their citizens would be to introduce a problem then provide a solution. If a majority of 'natives' of a country feel threatened by newcomers and have no realistic alternatives for 'protection' than the state, that's what they will choose. This could take the form of increased surveillance of society generally and an increase in the number and capabilities of state sponsored paramilitary assets.

I wonder if this is not one of the main driving forces behind the push to control guns in private hands here in the U.S. The more people feel confident that they can protect themselves, the less inclined they are to rely on the state for various kinds of protection.

As best I can tell from afar (sitting here on the West coast of the U.S.) it seems that Western Europe is a lot farther along the path to centralization and that planning and directing these population movements is handled mostly from Brussels. It's an interesting thing to watch. I'll be paying closer attention to the phenomenon.

Brussels has yet to answer to the problems of these thousands of migrants who arrive every week. Ask anyone in Italy, he'll say the EU doesn't do anything, and that is correct. It is member states, Hungary beefing up its borders, France blocking the migrants in Ventimiglia, who act, leaving all the burden to countries on the Southern side, Italy or Greece.

Regarding protection, it isn't the issue here. There's about 40 millions people unemployed in EU. Many locals just wonder what will the migrants do if they're allowed to get in? This as a time where most countries are running a deficit.

Countryfree, 92% of my compatriots (Czechs) refused quota in public poll, despite nonstop guilt trip by local media. Last weekend 10 000 people demonstrated in Slovakia against further islamization of Europe, only 200 antifa members showed up to counter them.

In places such Austria, Hungary or southern Germany no demonstrations are needed as officials reflect on interests of their taxpayers.

Italy is border state, it recieves euro funds even from poorer member states just to protect Shengen zone. It doesnt do so. What it does instead is supporting refugee bussiness for its mafia. There is no higher power forcing Italians to take the rest of the world in, in that case, it might be better to build fence around Italy and wish them good luck.

80 million people every year are born into poverty. Right now, only about millions illegals plus million legal migrants are moving into EU and the system is already cracking. Can you do the math? Because I can. Guilt trip of western white man wont save the world, but it sure can get his family killed.

A demonstration of native Europeans against illegal immigrants! I guess Slovakia has a future. Such a thing would be unthinkable in richer western countries, there would be more "antifas" than demonstrators.

The things are not easy for Italy as European law prevents it from sending the immigrants back to Africa. It's easy to stop people at a border on land, but it's not on sea when they come on a sinking ship. You save them or you let them die, but this second option makes you a bad guy on the evening news.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 27, 2015, 12:06:59 PM

Quote from: Anony on June 27, 2015, 11:26:11 AM

It immigration and human-rights advocates argue that addressing the crisis will require Europe to look beyond its watery border and the people who seek to ferry refugees across it. Sad

The solution is very simple, and I don't know why the European Union is not interested in implementing it. Just send a few thousand NATO forces to the major Libyan and Tunisian ports. Take control of the ports, and destroy all the ferries and boats owned by the human smugglers. Never allow any refugee to board on a boat or ferry.

This idea certainly looks good on paper, but it would be a major operation to take control of all ports in Lybia. With a serious risk of casualties for NATO troops.