Quote from: smooth on July 05, 2015, 07:59:28 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on July 05, 2015, 01:35:33 AM

My point about my personal preference where I employed the word "clusterfuck" to describe the hundreds of Cryptonote clones and that Monero's marketing (on these forums) to some extent had to vilify other CN clones in order to assert its dominance of CN clones

I can see why one might want to spin it that way. In fact Monero's dominance was largely assured by the fact that it was the first (even remotely) fairly launched cryptonote coin. The 82% ninja premine fraud was never going to fly. None of the others were sufficiently better in terms of features, leadership, community or anything else, to overcome that lead.

That is another potentially valid perspective. I guess I was just a bit turned off at the community's treatment of BoolBerry (even allegations that he was one of the original Bytecoin devs and that should imply distrust). It wasn't like you guys created CN and he was copying your whitepaper. I do however balance that with someone in his community trying to talk up BoolBerry's features as somehow radically superior to Monero's.

Again I think the heart of it for me personally is that felt Monero doesn't really own anything, other than its own (perhaps smaller than Bitcoin's rather small) community and its refined implementation. In the sense that Python owns its syntax. If you create a JPython you are still helping Python. If you create a BitcoinJ, you are still helping Bitcoin. This is what I meant when I wrote the ecosystem was a "clusterfuck" (or let's say non-ideal). We had developers and communities fighting each other on the same protocol. It felt like copycoins vs. Bitcoin, except in this case none of them were the first and legitimate one.

One of the signs of leadership is being able to get everyone working together.

I would have wanted to differentiate from CN and Bytecoin rather than claim ownership of the mess. Any way, I have the benefit of non-involvement and hindsight (heckling from the bleachers, not in the game, can't be tackled). I do understand you all are trying to bring an important technology to the market and make it stable.

Someone remarked why I didn't join a CN coin's effort. So I just wanted to make my personal reasons clear. It doesn't mean there is a problem with Monero now. It was just my reasons last year. And now it is too late for me to change my decision. Also I was more ill at that time, was still learning, and at the time I didn't think ring-sigs were the "end all and be all". Then by the time I started to think on chain anonymity is the holy grail (due to autonomy and end-to-end principle), I had pretty much backed off any efforts in this space late 2014. Recently epiphanies changed my outlook and my health also perhaps improved somewhat.