Quote from: Beliathon on July 09, 2015, 03:18:55 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 09, 2015, 03:10:36 PM

3) You third point is just all over the place. Are you making an argument against the existence of God based upon what you personally think should be to case, i.e. in an "Well, if I were God..." kind of way? Do you realize how silly that is?

God gave man free will, if your bible is to be believed Christian. If in creating the universe, God chooses to hide all the empirical evidence of his existence from his children, he is denying us access to the information necessary to exercise our free will! Worse, he has sabotaged us - damning the immortal souls of all non-believers! What sort of petty, cruel, jealous God would behave in this way? Would you have me believe God is a petulent toddler, not to be trusted?

Uh, "my Bible?" Who said I was a Christian? Other than coming to the conclusion that Intelligent Design is the mechanism by which reality self-creates, I'm not even religious. I was raised Catholic and slept on the pews. Religious dogma gets in the way of sound logic. I defer to no holy book, ever -- only the rules of logic. I care about what is true first and foremost. I have no problem conceding to a superior argument, which is precisely why I believe in Intelligent Design. I was atheistic for quite a while until I found it's untenable.

I don't even start with a presupposition that God exists, let alone what He is. I instead remove topological constraints from our understanding of reality to determine its roots, i.e. a foundation or limit of theorization that is impossible to penetrate, and then see what this limit implies as it relates categorically to objective reality. It just happens to be that these roots implicate Intelligent Design by logical necessity, and there's no way around it. In fact, it's impossible to get around it because any attempt to do so a priori reinforces Intelligent Design. It's tautological.