Quote from: dadice_dev on July 10, 2015, 10:45:47 AM

Quote from: XinXan on July 10, 2015, 06:42:47 AM

I am just saying that, although you and your site might be legit, your behavior it's making you look unprofessional and gives your site a bad image, i understand OP might have insulted you and your site but look at your replies to him and others, it's not the way to go.

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 10, 2015, 06:47:51 AM

exactly, even if you may feel insulted or whatever, its a fact that your posts on this forum represents your site; if this kind of behavior was demonstrated by a representative of any major international company they'd be fired immediately. pride and professionalism dont mix, especially in this kind of scenario.

Let's look at this overall thing from a different prespective for a moment? shall we?

I disagree and deny with what you said above

But is this me being unprofessional or rude? Neither! That is the whole point! I refered to leen as "manipulative" and "liar", and for both of these for which I have given undeniable evidences. I never called leen a "whore" (as suggested by dooglus) but instead if you read carefully I criticized him/her for creating a "whore show" as in slang-synonym for "fuck up" and "chaos" (TPB fans will understand). It is no different from dooglus stating "It will be interesting to hear DaDice staff try to explain their way out of this major fuckup." Just as usual dooglus's habit of not reading entire posts and jumping between lines took the best of him. To be honest, this entire thread is a fucking whore show indeed, for which I was compelled to write later: "starring dooglus".

Now lets have a look here:

Quote from: dooglus on July 08, 2015, 09:48:08 PM

Quote from: leen93 on July 08, 2015, 06:57:07 PM

Because they implemented the kelly criterion wrong.

It doesn't sound like they implemented it at all.

Instead of letting investors specify how much they want to risk per roll they just go ahead and risk up to 20 BTC per roll no matter what the investors decide.

This quote from dooglus and leen is enough to justify the entire situation. Now to deny this SCAM accusation, all we need to do is prove that the manual that leen is refering to was unlinked from the site long ago because it was not applicable, just like Dean has pointed out and reference links for previous conversations have been provided as well. And the second but most important aspect is to prove that leen was aware of 20 BTC maximum payout per roll. And that is exactly what we did!

This entire SCAM accusation was standing on 2 points as above, both crippled. We have had also explained this before and we did this again that we are offering MAX. PAYOUT as competitive figure and solely for commercial purpose and we will do this until it is commercially sound for us. Initially I did NOT mean to defy dooglus that is why I stated clearly:

Quote from: dadice_dev on July 09, 2015, 04:23:58 PM

Personally I agree that it should be based on bank roll but as I have suggested before this is a commercial decision not technical. And we do not need advices when it comes to commercial decisions, including but not limited to how we pay for signature campaigns, other events and everything. We may change this in future, right now, how are we going to pay is none of your concerns.

However, I think dooglus didn't just read my post and jumped in between lines. All our investors are aware of the risks, least of all leen is especially aware of the rules and risks. Leen has been investing with us before the investment program was private and came back on repeated requests after investment program became private.

My sincere apologise to dooglus if he was offended by anything we said, but again, I am the one carrying "dev" in my username, any technical point he wanted to discuss should have discussed with me only, and I have had already agreed that "yes!" kelly citerciton is not imlemented in complete form and also tried to explain him that this is how we started by this may change in future when we are commercially sound for that. So the decision is commercial, investors are fully aware of this and especially leen was aware of it. I have said it number of times already that the roll from leen that we have shown here is not based about profit (consecutive wins) but in fact the roll is about max. payout being 20 BTC. Anyway also thing to note that leen made that roll after she was fully divested and the bank roll at that time was no more then ~550 BTC.

We also made it very clear, if any investor considers he is not aware of risks mentioned, we can divest him to the point before that specific roll. If this is not fair, then what is? And yes, with only exception of leen because of her not acting in good faith and associating lies with us.

Now when it comes to QuickSeller, BodgyBrothers and few other of their alts, there are never here for reasoing of any sort, they are here to abuse/slander and spread FUD, and only justification they have is they "think" this is a SCAM and its been going on for months.

Between:
MI guys were fired few weeks ago, mainly because of there failures and incompetency which is a separate discussion which we are willing to do if needed but not in this thread. However I want to add a little insight regarding this topic: All of the marketing campaigns such as signature campaign here on BCT, our threads on other Bitcoin/Altcoin forums, all the event we held on Da Dice, and any other marketing effort which you may might in google or elsewhere, NONE of them were backed or done by MI guys. I think this is enough to show their incompetency, we started them by paying $1,000 per week (that is $4,000 per month), 2 months later we decreased there contract to $500 per week ($2,000) per month and fired one of their guys and made it very clear that they need to start giving us some results. 2 weeks ago we notified that they are not working on salaries anymore, if they want to continue working we are more then willing to pay based on their performance. I am sorry but we don't want to pay $2,000 per month for posting "Jackpot Update" and announce name of winners on facebook, that is not what they were hired for... oh and not to forget additional $800 per month just to see support ticket once per day, customer support is our priority, that is also not tolerable.

This thread, an accusation made on us, we totally deny that and refuse.

I think this explanation is very reasonable, and its very clear that leen already knew about high payouts. Everybody on dadice chat knows it already. I hope dooglus will accept apology. Its very clear that dooglus was correct in his observations and equations but also dadice staff confessed but want to offer 20 BTC payout for competition.