Quote from: freedomno1 on July 11, 2015, 04:47:25 AM

Quote from: ShakyhandsBTCer link=topic=1111641.msg11839295#msg11839295 date=1436518298

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 10, 2015, 08:18:36 AM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 09, 2015, 11:28:23 AM

What we have in science is a "nature-vs-nuture" debate. If homosexuality was exclusively by the way someone was raised, then you'd expect to see a very low rate of concordance in those separated twins (i.e. the twins raised in different homes by different people would have an expected homosexuality rate around the population average, rather than the 30% seen in the studies). There's other ambiguous evidence, like MRI scans that show structural differences in the brains of men and women, and homosexual men have brains that match the shape of women in certain areas

My hypothesis is that environmental factors affect the outcome in the case of twins one major factor would be water which is why we see low genetic variances among twins separated from birth.

First, I want to point out, I didn't write that, in the quote, lol.

ShakyhandsBTCer did.

I know my thoughts are considered nuts (so everyone can ignore me), but I would attribute it to demonic oppression.

Twins born but separated, maybe have a generational demonic oppression (in the form of homosexuality) in common. Which is why you would see a higher correlation, but not that high.

That's way less likely than just growing up (and committing sin / not asking for forgiveness) and collecting demonic oppression (in the form of homosexuality). Or you can get it from things that happen to you. This can happen with a mother saying, I wish you were a girl to her son, etc. Or someone calling someone ugly, you look like a boy (to a girl) etc. Also, worst, being sexually harassed/exploited/molested as a child. Holding onto these judgements that others put on you, or the hurt, and/or shame, can cause unforgiveness, etc. The Lord's prayer is hinged on forgiving others. We ask for forgiveness as we forgive others. Because how can we ask for mercy for ourselves if we don't give it to others? It's hard for people to forgive others for that horrible things they do, I know. But it can really hurt you more by being angry and hurt all the time, instead of letting it go, and asking for God to fill you up with acceptance (if you feel dejected), etc.

Of course all these thoughts, don't mean I think that those centers trying to "cure" homosexuality would work. It would truly depend on the person a) believing in God/Jesus as their savor, b) forgiving others, c) forgiving themselves if they feel like they didn't do all they could in situations, d) asking for forgiveness for their sins, (which they would have to believe that the sin was a sin) and e) praying and trying to live without sin as much as possible, etc.

Note: if a homosexual believes in Jesus and asks for forgiveness for their sins truly, (skipping homosexuality because they don't believe it's a sin). I totally think they'd go to Heaven, just IMHO.

Sorry about that misquoted the wrong person there are boxes everywhere when trying to cut a part of a long quote butchered it and fixed.

Genetics drift can be a factor especially with near identical DNA at birth where differences are based on environmental conditions over time an issue in one person usually appears in the other if they are raised in the same environment, however if its a different one the genetic issue might not occur since it's a theory your free to make your own and I can see demonic oppression as the spiritual equivalent of madness in the soul. As Wilkon said were all a bit nutty its just some deny their nuts more than others or use nutcrackers (Reference to the Hillary Clinton nutcracker in that thread Tongue

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In terms of forgiveness the question is how far does one forgive if their is justice in another world after death would it not be best to make a heaven on earth as well and in terms of who goes to heaven as long as they in the end work towards making a better world then that is good but as the idiom goes the road to hell was paved with good intentions so as Elvis said a little less conversation, and a little more action makes the world a better place.

As for freedom of opinion everyone deserves to have their voice heard else we will have no progress.
(Or we will all end up with too many sensibilities and be afraid to have action done when its needed)

There should be, ideally, perfect forgiveness on earth. We should individually attempt to forgive everyone at all times, not to let anyone off the hook, but to not be burdened by our pain/anger. Remember the saying to "forgive but not forget?" Forgiving doesn't mean ignoring the hurt or danger a person may cause. It's just a matter of letting go of our pain, personally, and protecting ourselves by knowing better next time.

We are to treat others like we wish we would be treated, but that alone can never make everything perfect. Because people may be ok with something, another person is not. Like those who love to party have music loud, would not care if there are loud noises, because they don't think there's anything wrong with it. Which means you usually have to put yourself in the place of the other person, like if you know your neighbor gets up early for work and might like it quieter even if you wouldn't care.