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Quote from: redhawk979 on July 18, 2015, 07:20:49 AM

Why is the EU the bad guy here? Its well documented that Greece cooked their books in order to join the EU, the whole thing is their fault in the first place.

Yes, and they should pay the price on their own. But that's not how it works. Financial problems in one country are shared by all member states. It's socialism on an international level.

The ONLY way for a given country to survive in the long term is to leave and make some radical reforms that the EU would never permit. Just a question of who will wise up first.

They will never implement "radical reforms", people are used to a certain way of like, and there's no going back, being in a union also means being helped when there is trouble, I don't think Greece will collapse and have another fascist regime.

EU is the strongest or at least the biggest economy in the world, the guys in Brussels aren't going to let one of its members collapse...

Wasn't talking about greece. Obviously they will keep holding their hand out as long as there are handouts. I'm talking about the countries that still have a somewhat functional economy. Of course, one might argue that no such country exists.

And at this point it's no longer a matter of "letting". Countries will collapse one by one, or all together in the end.

Well, eventually everything will die away, I'm just hoping it will stay up long enough for I to live my life.

And this in a nutshell is what is wrong with humanity. Tongue

Individualistic, egocentric, lazy and irresponsible. I have nothing against you by the way, but in your sentence I recognize the attitude of many people. As long as they can live their own short life drinking beer, having sex and watching netflix it's all good. Who is left caring for the world we leave behind for our children? The baby boomers have left our generation with a huge burden of debt so their lives were good, now do we want to do the same to the generations to come after us? I'm truly hoping to see the current debt based economy collapse in this life. Not because I'm a pessimist and a doomer, but because the old has to die first before something new and better can be born. I also don't believe it will be the end of the world, just the end of a corrupt system that has engulfed the world and the beginning of something new. You can't have change without going through some pain first.