Quote from: 4Grinz.com on July 24, 2015, 02:19:02 AM

While provably fair systems apply to dice scenarios, as has been so painstakingly noted by dooglus, it does not apply to a slots scenarios. Provably Fair was never developed, nor intended for slots. Moreover, we don't host dice games at 4Grinz.com. But thank you for that eloquent and detailed breakdown. We hope that dice players find this useful, however, we doubt they will be searching the 4Grinz.com Official Thread for advice on games we don't actually host on our platform.

I think you just totally missed my point, for I was saying the exact opposite.

There is no fundamental difference between 'dice' and 'slot' games. In both games you somehow pick an outcome and the player wins or loses varying amounts. The problem is how you demonstrate to the player than you picked the outcome you picked because you had to, rather than because you wanted to. THAT is what provable fairness is all about, and it applies equally to all single-player games of chance.

Quote from: 4Grinz.com on July 24, 2015, 02:23:00 AM

You may have overlooked the paragraph that clearly states that 4Grinz is Provably Fair through GL and TST testing, that its providers are tested, and that we continue to measure algorithms daily.

There is a world of difference between an appeal to authority and actual proof.

You are asking us to trust you, and to trust the people who tested your site, and to trust that the version they tested is the version you actually run.

Provably fair sites don't ask you to trust anything. They say "if you want to check whether your game was fair, follow these steps", and provide a list of steps that you can follow to be 100% certain that your game was fair.

Do you understand the difference?

Quote from: 4Grinz.com on July 24, 2015, 02:23:00 AM

Our point is that Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.

I don't think you said what you meant to say there, but I agree that you are not only misguided, but misinformed when you say that slots games cannot be provably fair.

Check https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/slots for example. It is a provably fair slot game:

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PLAYING SLOTS AT BITCOIN VIDEO CASINO IS PROVABLY FAIR

Play with confidence! We guarantee that every Slots game you play at Bitcoin Video Casino is completely fair. You will be given a completely random spin (random number) every game, and we can provably demonstrate that we have in no way manipulated the outcome of the spin.

Instead of just taking our word for it, we make available all of the information you need to verify that our game is fair.

The reason that we can guarantee this is that your web browser supplies a random number that we must incorporate into the random number generator in a provably consistent way. Our server starts by choosing a private server seed for the random number generator that your computer doesn't know. Your computer then sends us a random number that we must incorporate into the seeding of that random number generator.

To manually verify a game that has been played, press the green verify button in the MY GAMES table after a game has been played.

It's not a great implementation since it uses a new pair of seeds for every spin and puts too much burden on the player if he wants to verify each roll, but it does work, and serves as a sufficient example to prove your claim wrong.