Quote from: Amph on July 24, 2015, 10:44:24 AM

on the contrary it would make eu stronger, removing a dead weight like greece which has rised only trouble in the last decadde, it's not EU fault if greece can't handle their debts, i'm starting to believe that if greece were to adopt bitcoin It would still be a disaster..

Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 24, 2015, 03:17:28 PM

It is not that simple dear... I would have agreed with your argument if Greece was the only deadweight in the European Union. But that is not the case. The European Union members can be broadly divided in to two groups. The first group is the donors, which includes countries such as Germany, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg.etc. The second group is the parasites, which includes countries such as Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Slovakia, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.

Now you can't throw all these parasites out of the Union. The equilibrium will be lost.

Well. It could be a short term solution, but definitely a huge loss on the long run. One cannot simply jump in and out of the EU. A lot of Greece's debts are towards Germany, France etc. If Greece gets a big bailout money then a big portion of it flows back to these countries. Hence the countries (donors) are distributing the money of the whole EU, knowing that a major portion will flow back to their own pockets. Hence the more money they give from the common piggybank, the better from them. You can look up some information regarding e.g. military spendings from Greece and from which countries they buy hardware. There are also bribes and such involved that makes donors actually beneficiaries.

Also the word parasites and donors is a bit too harsh. Not every country has the same economics and situation and I bet that if they were real parasites the EU donors wouldn't have agreed to allow them into the EU in the first place. There is big gains for everyone.

The whole point of the EU would be to bring everyone on the same level economically, but this is a long way to go until you need to pick up more debt to repay old debt. Fact is, they cannot really do anything unless there debts would be forgiven. At which point every country could say that "OK, I'm not paying either because..." Simply by changing your economy and ruling you won't get rid of 10 years' debt. Not in our lifetime.