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"Wake up"? Please. Don't try to make out that a bunch of bigots giving in to their primitive instincts to fear anyone different to themselves is the equivalent to moving towards some sort of "truth". If anything, you're moving backwards. Way to fall for the divide and conquer, fear campaign tactics perpetuated by a vile media and government. The ones who are actually awake are the small minority who voted yes.

If the majority of people were awake, do you really think we'd have a tory government in charge, currently orchestrating a massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich, selling off public services and peerages to their wealthy friends, all while scapegoating the poorest and most vulnerable in society? The problem isn't multiculturalism, it's the disgusting, morally bankrupt, kleptocratic parasites in power. The ones lining their own pockets and those of their supporters at everyone else's expense.

This isn't bigotry. This is simple everyday common sense. Multiculturalism by definition "the existence, acceptance, or promotion of multiple cultural traditions within a single jurisdiction, usually considered in terms of the culture associated with an ethnic group." This is clearly not working. Just take a look at the news or go for a walk in any major city in the UK.

As far as I can remember the Labour wasn't any better. (Actually I can't see too much difference between the Labour and the Tories.)
You know, it's quite easy to make a scapegoat from some groups when the members of that group raping 1500 girls, or creating no go zones for ppl with different views, or making a living from abusing the benefit system.
BTW as I've seen in the UK large part of the "poorest and most vulnerable in society" are the elderly working class indigenous people, but nobody cares, because of they are whites :/.

Indigenous people, hah! Had to chuckle at that part. I doubt that even half a percent of the UK populace could legitimately claim to be indigenous, assuming they could be bothered to trace their ancestry back far enough. Also, people tend to work under the rather flawed assumption that "British culture" is some set, predefined and unalterable constant, when in truth, there's no such thing. It changes region by region and year on year. I highly doubt you care what the prevailing cultural norm was in your region 50 years ago, so 50 years from now, people in your area won't give two shits about what you think your culture currently is or should be now. You'll just be another one of those bitter old people who says "in my day... [insert rant here]" far more often than would be considered necessary. Times change, so does culture. Whine about it if you like, but it's inevitable and you can't stop it.

As for "no-go zones for people with different views", that just proves that intolerance can work both ways, so in effect, those people trying to enforce their view on others are doing exactly the same thing you're doing. Either everyone is entitled to have their own views and beliefs, or you just end up with one group verses another. How do you figure that adding more intolerance is somehow going to help in that regard? Maybe you think you should try and put out fires by dowsing them with more fuel? "Everyday common sense", pffft. Not even close.

Frankly, you are mistaken and that comes from a "outsider"

Overwhelming majority of British (2/3) can trace their genetic ancestry to paleolithic survivors, who settled there after the last Ice age. Later migrants may have brought culture and different language, but genes didnt go away (think Mexico or Peru).

Your take on your own culture is rather telling, that you feel uprooted, newcomers from developing countries such as Pakistan have no such dilemma. Through their culture they are bringing their country with them and unless you stand up for yourself, you will be "made" Pakistani too. Now, that may be natural. Afterall, in nature stronger, more focused organisms always subdue the weak and confused ones. You seem to be the latter.

There may be parts of their ancestry that can be traced back to UK origins, but other parts won't be native to these isles. After countless periods of conquests by Normans, Romans, Norse, etc and naturally occurring migration over the centuries, there's very little chance in this present day that we aren't all of mixed descent. The simple fact is, there's no such thing as a "pure" race. Somewhere in your lineage, there will be outside influences. If you want to identify with one particular group of arbitrary lines on the map, go for it. But understand it doesn't grant you any special privilege to dictate what anyone else within your borders should believe or aspire to. Just accept that we're all human and all have a rich tapestry of history woven into us.

I can promise you the only "weak and confused" or "uprooted" people here are the ones who feel threatened that someone is trying to wipe out their identity. If they were as strong as they like to pretend, they wouldn't worry so much. I honestly don't care how many people from abroad want to come and make a life in the UK and I don't fear that I'll be "made" or converted into something else as a result of them being here. You quoted my earlier post where I said this is all just a bunch of bigots giving in to their primitive instincts to fear anyone different to themselves. This is their fear and their weakness. I feel perfectly comfortable, thanks.

More "thinking" and even less facts on your part. Okay, lets try it slowly. Mexico or Turkey are countries, that you probadly agree to have mixed population. Despite the fact majority of their people have native blood to varying degree. Culture those people were brought up in is also peculiar to those and only those particular countries.

So, now we got that out of way, let me ask you a question. If natives arent supposed to be able to set their own rules, in their own countries to live by, then who is? You? Some self-appointed moral authority? Of course not.

People, who are coming into western countries are fully aware of that fact, you may be appaled, that they are not giving up on their customs and prejudices but it is you they see as weak and uprooted. They are set perfectly well and history is proving them right. Afterall, if you are unable or unwilling to make your destiny, then somebody else will do it for you. Also works for running entire country.

I'm clearly not the one who needs things explained slowly. Mexico and Turkey are indeed countries, well done. However, there is no fixed, persistent cultural norm that applies to every single person in those countries for the remainder of time. Different regions of Mexico and Turkey will have different elements to their culture, which will also gain influences from outside of those countries. Mexican and Turkish culture will also change over time with each generation. Nothing is constant, nothing is set in stone. Your entire concept of "culture" is frankly ludicrous if you can't recognise that. No one is surrendering any of their own customs just because someone else with different customs happens to reside within the same borders. Some customs just die out naturally because most people don't care anymore. Maybe you think that I should take up morris dancing as a Brit, since it's apparently part of my cultural heritage, but (to the best of my knowledge) everyone I know couldn't give two shits about morris dancing and it's largely considered an archaic relic of the past. I suppose you think people stopped caring about it because some scary foreigners came and prevented us from banging sticks together? Seriously, please get a clue. Again, if you feel threatened by people with different ideals and aspirations, that's your insecurity. Stop trying to tell the rest of us that we should succumb to your petty, small-minded fears.

Also, your question makes no sense. I'm pretty sure you know that laws are passed by governments (which can consist of both people born there and people who migrated there). They make the "rules", as such, but I don't see what that has to do with your irrational fear of different cultures who you think are trying to wipe out your identity and race purely by existing in close proximity to you. I've spent time living away from my country of birth and I'm pretty sure I didn't inadvertently wipe out any cultures whilst abroad, simply by living my own life. People don't actually have that mythical superpower, you absolute crackpot.