Quote from: ndnhc on July 31, 2015, 07:33:21 PM

Quote from: shorena on July 31, 2015, 07:11:45 PM

Quote from: dadice on July 31, 2015, 05:11:35 PM

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Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are Grin

Funny isn't it Huh

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Well, QS is labeling Da Dice as scammers with some weirdo proofs.
http://i.gyazo.com/8447d64976f4b8b2c05f748d7b038cca.png

What's more, he's attempting to put words into Shorena's mouth just above:

Quote from: Quickseller on July 31, 2015, 07:04:31 PM

and shorena stopped providing his services when it turned out that DaDice was a scam site.

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Either way, I am and was fine with your negative feedbacks, since I can understand your's, El Nico's, dooglus' concern well. But QS is tagging it as a scam which is what I am questioning.

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Quote from: fox19891989 on July 31, 2015, 06:55:11 PM

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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

I agree with you on that.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 31, 2015, 06:57:16 PM

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Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

Signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Currently, many players reach the conclusion that a signed message means their funds are safe, which unfortunately is not true.

Yes, but not providing a cold wallet address does not make it a scam. I am honestly, not aware of PD having made public their cold wallet address. May be I am wrong, but if not, well, why not?

Ignore the grammar plz

I basically completely agree with ndnhc here. It's one thing to say that you wouldn't play there and to warn others accordingly, it's another thing to troll dadice's threads, calling them scammers, calling people associated with them scammers, and all with zero scam or evidence of scam. All based on some kind of bad feeling. Dadice should notice the very stark difference in approach between Shorena and Quickseller and shouldn't be lumping them into the same bucket, IMO.

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

Finally, as I asked upthread, I wonder what the statue of limitations is on this bad-feeling that he has. As has been pointed out, many many casinos are offering services without showing cold-storage addresses. Apparantely not all of them generate the same bad feeling for Shorena. I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".