Quote from: blablahblah on August 01, 2015, 05:43:24 PM

Well, guess what. The free market chose government as the most efficient means of doing large-scale stuff.

Well, guess what. It did in fact do that in certain places. And then it self corrected...

lol...

Quote from: polychenko on August 01, 2015, 08:12:38 PM

Quote from: saddampbuh on August 01, 2015, 06:53:53 PM

Quote from: blablahblah on August 01, 2015, 05:39:23 PM

Nobody likes being taxed, period.

Part of the problem with US Libertarian idealists is that they've got this elaborate (yet flaky) house-of-cards built up about how politics and the economy and everything "ought" to be, but at the same time they've got these huge blind spots such as opportunity cost.

Thanks to your tax dollars, those welfare queens and their 6 kids aren't hungry enough to murder you in the street for a small amount of pocket money, or just for the protein. Yeah, yeah... you'd much rather have the "freedom" to spend those tax dollars on a private security company to save your ass from being attacked in the streets (and endless toll roads and related shit). And of course that would be far more efficient than public/state services, because free-market competition and stuff, just like Bitcoin miners -- LOL. .

i'm not a libertarian nor do i mind being taxed, i do mind being taxed to support whore black welfare queens when they could easily be sent somewhere else or sterilised

I think this racist stuff should be removed or ignored in this thread (in fact from the civilised world in general). Why bring race into it? Black people didn't like being slaved for hundreds of years, then being born into households with little income, wealth, education, or social connections that others take for granted.

blablahblah hit a few nails on the head. Also a matter of short term thinking among libertarian idealists - instead of long-term societal investment via tax (however inefficient), they'd prefer money in the bank now and their children growing up in an apartheid. Not too far off though in the US at the moment, even amongst sunny Yale: http://www.naacpnewhaven.org/wp-content/uploads/NAACP_UrbanApartheid_print_final.pdf

Just curious. If we all followed your moral advice, and disallowed what you call "racist stuff," then wouldn't the counter argument to your advocacy of progressive social spending (your words "societal investment") be quashed before it was heard?

Seems that would not be good, right?