Quote from: grondilu on September 19, 2012, 04:30:15 AM

Starvation really sounds like an excuse to get a free share of the cake.

That's why I will NOT answer your questions about starving people. We all have moral issues when we walk in the street and encounter a destitute human being. Assuming you are not completely poor, you do have too. You could give a homeless person half of your income to save him. I guess you do not and I do not ask you why. So please don't ask me why I don't like the idea of giving away to strangers a capital that I worked to earn.

Feel free to ask me why, or you can continue to presume. I'll have to make whatever presumptions I can as you've chosen not to illuminate me.

Starvation only came up because somehow this turned into a welfare debate. You refuse to accept that there is a good reason state welfare exists, even if it is a "lesser evil" solution, and that it is a natural consequence of capitalism without conscience in a human population.

People won't buy robots, and they will starve, and they will either die or destroy. We should just kill them now, right? How much of law is to protect people from their own stupidity?

Quote from: JoelKatz on September 19, 2012, 04:35:25 AM

Quote from: Hunterbunter on September 18, 2012, 11:50:44 PM

How does a man earn $1 from a wealthy person who wants nothing from him?

He doesn't, he earns it from someone who does want something from him. If nobody wants anything, then he's the only person on Earth who doesn't have everything they want. I can live with that problem.

Yeah fair enough, fuck him, but what are you going to do to convince the society that steals from you to give it to him to stop doing it? Just not pay taxes? Start a revolution? How much power do you have?

I'm not saying it's "right" that people get something for nothing (not that anyone ever actually does - it can all be rationalized somehow), but that it is what's going to happen anyway whether one likes it or not.

Quote from: LoupGaroux on September 19, 2012, 04:49:50 AM

I think the wealthy man can pretty much always come up with something he wants... somebody to mow his lawn, wash his car, produce clever widgets in his factory, mine his uranium, stand guard along his borders, pick up his trash, farm the food that is sold in his grocery store, act in the movies he enjoys watching, be the serviceman that repairs the elevator at the apartment building where he keeps his mistress, heck, be his mistress...

Yes, I agree this is mostly the case today, but how long is the list of things that can't be replaced by self-supporting machines? I can only really see the creative arts as being uniquely human. Just how interesting is that?

I'm not talking about people not participating because they're lazy, I'm talking about people not participating because there is nothing to do.