Basically, the people bitching and moaning for the most part don't appear to be customers or they don't want it known that they are being hypocritical by publicly decrying BFL yet continuing to patronize BFL.
Your tone is quite unbecoming of a businessman.
These forums are unbecoming of a venue for public discourse, what's your point?
Bottom line is, we aren't losing customers, we are gaining them, so we must be doing something right. Like... providing superior equipment at reasonable prices. Just a start.
Stop
social proofing. Start proving you're worth your mettle.
See above.
You know what I wonder? Are all you whiners crying about a scam going to pony up an apology when the ASICs ship?
Actually,
Few people have directly stated that BFL ASICS is vapor, or that BFL is a scam.
What is your definition of a few?
However, you (Butterfly Labs Inc.) culpably took steps to withhold this information, and withholding last names of all employees,
in direct continuation of Sonny Vleisides documented modus operandi from previous long running scams. (1)
This would be false, but it's neither here nor there.
For this, you should be the one apologizing, in the case that BFL is otherwise legitimate.
(Which seems possible, though perhaps not overwhelmingly likely, when seen from the outside.)
I'm sorry, why should I be apologizing again? I'm not sure I understand why I should apologize for a legitimate business that has delivered thousands of products as promised (if a bit late in the beginning).
Your transparency is hardly better than that of Pirate & Company.
Your next move should be to do everything in your power to show honesty through transparency.
Really? What brings you to this conclusion?
There are many, many, many warning signs beyond the verifiable evidence that has been posted so far.
Stuff that hasn't been brought to light yet, and should make any prospective investor uneasy.
(E.g: The references to non-existent Medical Technology on BFL's website.)
We are not seeking investors at this time, but I will gladly take it under advisement when/if we do.
You knowingly withheld extremely pertinent information at the peril of your customers.
Which would be what? What pertinent information was withheld exactly? We have shipped products in the past, we will ship products in the future. One of the employees past has absolutely no bearing on the ability of our company to ship products.
Have you considered that you may be (knowingly or not) be furthering a scam?
Yes, and either the scam is so elaborate that we have shipped product and spent a ridiculous amount of money on the development of ASICs as to be almost unimaginable or we are actually legitimate.
Can you provide any convincing argument to the contrary?
Yes, check back with me in about 6 weeks.
I pause to note that this should be trivially easy if ASICs are anywhere close to being shipped..
They are, however, you seem to be under the impression that the investment in this venture is trivial. It's not. We will not be giving away free strategic information to our competition as to our business plans, technology, etc... As much as you want it (and the competition wants it), it's simply not going to happen given the amounts of money involved in the development of our ASIC products.
If any of the whiny allegations are unfounded, you are hereby cordially encouraged to demonstrate it by directly confronting them.
Again, I will in ~6 weeks. When we ship the ASICs can I expect a public apology from you as well in these forums or are you going to slink off with the rest of the people and try to forget what complete asses you've been?
Use this opportunity to crush the "crying whiners" under the heavy heel of the truth!
Then we can stop shouting, go about our business, and everyone will be happy for it.
Do you seriously believe this? There is literally nothing, nothing I can post short of shipping out free ASIC devices that would satisfy the people of this forum. Not a single thing. If you believe otherwise, you are exceptionally deluded.
As it stands, I think you are lying, or being lied to, or some combination thereof.
Come clean.
Great, come the shipping of the ASICs I expect a public written apology to both myself and BFL.
Three quick questions, you know, in the interest of transparency and all: - Is Sonny Cris Vleisides the founder of BFL?
- What is the contact information of his parole officer?
- What is your response to the following:
1. The very specific answer to your question is no. I don't expect you to be satisfied with this answer, but it's what you get.
2. You have got to be joking, right?
It has been
demonstrated that BFL Single is a pair of Altera EP3SL150F780 chips.
This chip is no longer manufactured, and the official price from digikey, Altera's authorized distributor, is $2,184.99
per chip.
That's almost $4,400 per board
just for the chips.
Obviously since the single sells for $600 they are not paying anything close to full price for these chips. But since they are no longer manufactured there is a finite supply, and with the huge demand they surely can see that the End Is Near for the Altera-based product line.
So now it fits together:
they aren't ruining a good thing -- the good thing is over whether they like it or not. They have run out of cheap chips. Without the insane more-than-5x cost advantage over the competition they can't compete anymore, so they pretty much have to close up shop.
But wait.
If you have to close up shop anyways, why not go out with a bang? Especially when you have an
experienced fraudster running the company? The company is toast without the cheap chips anyways, so why not run off with a pile of preorder cash? Better yet, tell the people you sold product to that they can send the boards back as part of a "trade in". Remember, there are no more cheap chips, so the supply of these boards is about to get cut off. And mining boards turn electricity into anonymous, untraceable cash, so running off with them is about as safe as running off with BTC.
You may or may not believe their ASIC announcement is a scam, but either way the claim that "oh they have so much to lose by scamming people why would they do that" doesn't hold water. Their existing product line has a fixed lifespan -- ASIC or not.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1084b1/why_would_bfl_turn_a_good_thing_into_a_scam/I'll be awaiting your reply.
(1) The master mind behind this scam is James Ray Houston apx. 60 years old. He gained fame in 1974 when he ran for Governor in Nevada.
His accomplice is Sonny Vleisides apx. 30 years old. Both from Kansas City originally .... However, these guys are very slick and try very hard not put their names on anything.
My response: Absolutely fucking ridiculous.