Quote from: thebountiful on August 12, 2015, 07:29:41 PM

Ethereum having a clone is a great idea.

I have followed both Frank and Clayton on twitter and believe Frank really is a good guy. But this is not good in reputation that he is working with Clayton. Due to the massive failure and obvious Insider selloff of Horizon before the announcement today... I do not trust ANYONE connected to HZ. Clayton buys in cheap... tells people to buy in so he can sell higher... then makes himself look like a Nobel Crypto Leader when in fact he preys on people who cannot track what he does and dumps into their buy orders. How about the VNL scam? I have seen Clayton and CCC really pump that load of trash.

HZ was a cashcow for them to drag a faithful community along to milk every last satoshi they could for the project. It was a scam from the get go and it has NO NEW INNOVATION so how is Clayton and his "coders" going to out code Ethereum??? 1 million HZ to each dev team member each month to play dump dump dump on the community... and How about the HZ Exchange... massive failure...

So i suppose he will put ESP brand up on his clubs banners... and he will use the gullible good folks within that group to pump his bitcoin wallet nice and fat. Liars, snakes and thieves.

You really think you will perfect code which has millions of dollars behind it by somehow raising a couple bitcoin to pump and dump this coin to death like you did HZ? You cannot handle a little JAVA.... how are you going to handle Ethereum? I call this a joke. I will be looking for a real clone not centered around the CryptoCurrency Pump Club.

Great name and Idea... just shady characters behind it. But i will stay to watch this crash and burn too. Like all of his "good picks"

I started writing about cryptos many years ago. I was one of the first people doing it that was non anonymous, at least for Alts. I did some good trades, and people kept asking me what I bought. With great reluctance I have shared some buys. Most were very good, but cryptos go up and down. I am not responsible for that. I have also learned a great deal over the years, and learned how to minimize risk, but crypto trading is always high risk.

As for VNL, it looked good, and I bought and talked about it at 3.5k, it went up to 55k, not sure what there is to complain about! I sold as there are now some concerns. If you lose money trading that is your own fault. If you can't read charts and are not willing to take risks, you are not ready for it. Everyone, including myself, always says to take your own risks and do your own research. We mean it!

As for Horizon, I broke even or maybe made a tiny profit, no boats or limos, but the price is still higher 1.5 years later, and there is still an active team. I plan on helping out for free as long as I can take the abuse. Wink

So I think some credit is deserved for the team sticking around that long. Regardless, this is a totally different project, and just because some people have worked on other projects, that should not be held against them, but rather, they should get some credit for experiences learned.

p.s. Why do you have only 1 post? How am I the shady character if you are not sharing your real bitcointalk id? I have a real identity with many years of posts, that is the exact opposite of shady. Love or hate me, I am not hiding, you are.