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This kid is really good at sticking to his beliefs. I've never seen somebody so good at dismissing facts. How can you be 18 years old and still believe that there is no such thing as mental disorders and you can cure cancer by wishful thinking? That takes some serious dedication to your "religion." I think the key ingredient to remaining this ignorant is to believe that you are smarter than everyone else. Then you can dismiss all knowledge trying to be passed on to you because you think you already have it all figured out.

I'm starting to think dank might be brainwashed by some sort of cult that tells him to ignore science and anything that contradicts his beliefs as dismiss it as "negative thinking" coming from people of lower intelligence than himself.

OTOH, he could just be trolling. If so, well done. These threads bring back memories of when I was a kid. It's very entertaining to read.

I'm not religious. I do not dismiss facts. You fail to realize things can happen from two perspectives. I don't ignore science, I think of it from a spiritual perspective, since we are spiritual beings.

so how do you manage to stick to these beliefs without dismissing facts? Or were you never presented any facts?

Here's a fact: Some people are BORN with diseases and mental disorders. for example autism.
Do you think they are autistic because they were born believing they are autistic?

You have a really self centered view on reality. Reality doesn't come from what you perceive. a "thinkforyourselfist" is never going to be able to learn anything without experiencing it himself. If you have to experience everything you learn you will remain uninformed.

If you really want to do the research to confirm your beliefs you will probably run into some cold hard facts that you're going to have to dismiss in order to preserve your credibility. One of the hardest things to do is to admit that you were wrong about something. You're one stubborn individual. I hope later in life you will be able to look back and read this thread and have a good laugh at yourself. When I remember my "world view" as a teenager it makes me chuckle.

They're born with autism for a reason. It's still a label for their mental patterns, but they became autistic because of their surrounding environment. Nothing is random.

Reality is your perspective. How can you judge what I have and haven't experienced?

What's even harder than admitting you're wrong is to admit you don't understand something. All the cold hard facts and experiences in my life have done nothing but create and reinforce my beliefs.

Some of your beliefs questioned:

"Reality is your perspective"
This is the "self centered" thinking I was referring to. Reality is a collection of many perspectives, not just your own.

"There is no such thing as mental disorders"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder
What is autism then? Saying it's a label doesn't make your belief true. Next are you going to say there's no such thing as labels?

If you were trying to say that all mental disorders come from a belief like with your theory about PTSD. Well, autism is a direct contradiction to that theory unless you believe they were born autistic because they believed they were.

As you start to learn more about the world you're going to have to add a lot of asterisks to your beliefs and eventually, if you have gained enough knowledge, you will have to scrap those statements in their entirety.

It's not self centered at all. Every human makes their own reality based off their beliefs. This does form a collective reality, which is far from the man made reality we live in.

I didn't say there are no such thing as mental disorders, I said they're not real. They only exist because the person believes to perceive reality that way. See what I said about autism. The human starts developing in the womb, whatever surrounding environment that child was exposed to led to the autism or mental disorder.

I edited my post. Please try to make this statement true for autism:

Quote from: dank on September 24, 2012, 06:36:04 PM

It's not like you're born with a certain pattern of behavior that you cannot change yourself.

It is true, you can change your behavioral patterns yourself, why isn't that possible? People with autism believe they have autism, whether they thought it their self or their mother or doctor. Nothing is random.

I'd like this discussion to be moved into my Dank Bank thread if you'd like to continue.