In
this post TF claimed that tspacepilot fraudulently withdrew .5
BTC from coinchat. As much as I dislike taking TF's word for anything, that was the only amount ever presented and tspacepilot never disputed the amount he stole (note: the conclusion that tspacepilot stole money from coinchat was based solely on statements made by tspacepilot and my understanding of the rules of coinchat, and the words of TF were relied upon 0%).
I had suggested to tspacepilot that he could return the money he stole from coinchat however he was not interested in discussing this but rather claimed that he never did anything wrong. (A very good explanation as to why it is appropriate to conclude that tspacepilot stole from coinchat is
here.
As I remember it, coinchat was a site that paid you coins in exchange for posting chat. That's clearly a silly idea and will only lead to people posting nonsense to earn money. The incentives are all wrong and encourage just what you don't want on a chat site. It's much the same as companies running "signature campaigns" which pay forum users for each post they make. You end up with thousands of garbage posts and the quality of the forum drops as a result. In other words what you reward is what you get. TF was paying for chat, so he got it. And of course people are going to automate that if they can.
I don't think writing a bot to take advantage of a poorly thought out incentive scheme is "fraud" or "dishonest" and certainly doesn't require punishment years later. What needed fixing was the incentive scheme. Stop paying people to post crap and they will stop posting crap.
My understanding of coinchat, which was corroborated by others in
this thread is that you were allowed to use bots, however if you did then the bot needed to post from an account with "bot" (all letters) in it in order to avoid receiving payment for messages from the bot.
The name of the account that tspacepilot's bot was posting from had the substring "b0t" (notice the number instead of the letter), which is something that I would argue shows malice on tspacepilot's part, as I believe it was designed to make a casual onlooker believe that it was properly named while the mechanism that excludes "bot" posts would be tricked into not excluding posts.
I would speculate that coinchat sold advertisements which were priced according to how many messages were written.
Regarding tspacepilot's ban: he was (most likely) banned for posting many off topic posts, derailing threads, and creating multiple/duplicate threads when the conversation of the first thread didn't go his way (he would lock threads when others did not agree with him), and overall trolling. He has been doing this for months and I would say that if this is his first ban for this behavior and if he was only banned for 5 days then he has gotten off very easy.
I don't spend enough time here to have noticed any of that (other than a bizarre tendency to defend DaDice, but that's probably a result of them paying him for his signature). Do you have URLs for offtopic posts?
Many of his off topic posts have been deleted (that is what happens to off topic posts), however he created two threads about posts of his that were deleted (
one,
two). In both of those posts, he even acknowledged that he was posting off topic in the post itself. There are others that have not been deleted if you really needed to see more.
Edit: tsp messaged me on Just-Dice as follows. If what he says is true it certainly doesn't sound like he is deserving of any kind of negative trust rating:
12:04:46 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> anyway, what he says is factually false, i did dispute the 0.5 and fwiw, that was one of the main sticking
points in trying to resolve what happened
12:05:07 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> TF first said I owed him 1.5BTC, at the time, I only had like 0.4 or 0.5 to my name. so that was outlandish
12:05:26 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> then he changed it to 0.5, then he changed it o 0.54, i kept asking him where he was getting these numbers, but
he wouldn't tell me.
12:05:55 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> i don't know if you remember anything about coinchat, but it was a site where people chatting got rewards of
tips at random moments.
12:06:08 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> there were many bots running services there for gambling and whatnot
12:06:31 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> i was trying to learn about node and asynchronous programming and i started making a bot intended to look things
up in the wikipedia
12:06:56 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> apparantely, at one moment, the bot was looping or something and it looked like an abuse.
12:07:20 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> TF banned me but because he wouldn't discuss with me about what happened from his end, how much the bot might
have made (i estimate on the order ofa few ksat)
12:07:32 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> i was never able to make it straight with him and that was basically that.
12:08:14 (1157905) → (1) <@dooglus> i never had any other problems with anyone for the next 3 years (until QS came along) and did his thing where he
was trying to dig up dirt with me in a thinly veiled attack using his at-the-time unrevealed alt ACCTSeller.
Based on what happened in
thisthread, it looks like TF had originally claimed that 1.5
BTC was stolen, and then
here it was updated to .503
BTC with the explanation that this was the amount that tspacepilot withdrew from coinchat, this matches the risked amount in tspacepilot's trust rating from TF. Later in the thread the .503 amount was generalized to .5, however I don't think this is truly a different amount. In
this post, it was explained that the original 1.5
BTC amount was an estimate and that the .503 amount was accurate based on TF's records (again I do not like relying on what TF said, however I doubt that tspacepilot has any interest in paying back what he stole).
I don't see any other amounts that are claimed to have been stolen by tspacepilot and I do not see a .54 amount anywhere. I also do not see tspacepilot claim that he withdrew a lesser amount in the above thread, but rather was claiming that he was not allowed to receive a trust rating over something that happened outside of the forum.
Although I do believe that I can prove that tspacepilot had more then .5 btc at the time of the original claim against him, I am not going to do so because it is a red herring, plus I would hope that you would well know it is possible that anyone can have btc in addresses that are not known to others.
Tspacepilot is also grossly exaggerating how long ago the incident was. He had opened a thread complaining about the negative rating from TF in September 2013, and I originally left him a negative rating in April 2015 which is closer to 18 months later.
In the chat message that you posted, he seems to outright admit to withdrawing funds from coinchat that he was not entitled to. Only that he now says it was much less then claimed originally.