Quote from: dooglus on August 19, 2015, 05:52:42 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 18, 2015, 09:07:24 PM

Based on what happened in thisthread, it looks like TF had originally claimed that 1.5BTC was stolen, and then here it was updated to .503BTC with the explanation that this was the amount that tspacepilot withdrew from coinchat, this matches the risked amount in tspacepilot's trust rating from TF.

TF seems to have been quoting the whole amount that tsp withdrew, but only a small fraction of that was due to the malfunctioning bot.

I would agree that TF was quoting the entire amount that tspacepilot withdrew, however I am unsure that the amount he withdrew due to the bot was only a small fraction of what he withdrew. I would also say that it would be entirely inaccurate to say that he earned anything due to a malfunctioning bot. If you wanted to run a bot on coin chat, you were suppose to have the substring bot appended to the end of your username in order to prevent that username from earning any money, however tspacepilot named the account the bot was posting from wikib0t, and I would find it hard to believe that it was a mistake to name it this. I am not sure what tsp was talking about when he said his bot was stuck on a loop, however this was not the abuse, his abuse was the fact that he used a bot on an account that did not have the substring bot appended (although it is possible that the loop is what caused him to get caught).

Additionally, up until now, tsp has claimed that he is completely innocent. He has repeatedly said that I am wrong about him and that I was taking the words of a known liar:

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 20, 2015, 05:40:16 PM

but his only accusation on me is that he says I defrauded a known liar, and he's using the liar's word for it as "evidence".

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 20, 2015, 06:14:38 PM

When someone falsely comes after you quoting some lies of a discredited person,

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 20, 2015, 08:10:34 PM

you are siding with a known liar in trying to defame me. You should admit that you made a mistake when you tried to take discredited lies as evidence against someone.

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 22, 2015, 06:56:58 PM

some false allegations

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 26, 2015, 08:38:54 PM

you can show people that you're willing to admit when you're wrong

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 27, 2015, 02:31:58 PM

Why won't QS right this wrong?

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 27, 2015, 03:48:39 PM

TF's accusations against me are nonsense,

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 30, 2015, 06:26:02 AM

drop these false charges against me.....admit that you can be wrong.

-snip-

the fact that you are wrong

-snip-

falsely accusing people

Quote from: tspacepilot on July 30, 2015, 02:26:57 PM

unwillingness to admit he's been wrong.

I stopped quoting tspacepilot after about halfway through this thread. There are many others in both this thread and in others that I did not quote.

I would make it very clear that if tspacepilot did in fact use a bot to withdraw money from coin chat (regardless of the amount) then I am not wrong. Period. The issue of if tspacepilot's actions are something that warrants a negative rating is separate (and will be addressed below).

I would ask, if tspacepilot has lied about fraudulently withdrawing any money in the past (I believe that he has), then why should his word be trusted regarding the magnitude of how much he withdrew because of his bot?

Quote from: dooglus on August 19, 2015, 05:52:42 PM

You reaction to his bot accidentally earning a tiny amount of dust seems way over the top. How do you justify leaving multiple angry trust ratings for this? I think overall your contribution to the trust system is a net positive, but in this case it feels to me like it's borderline abusive.

I would dispute the fact that his bot accidentally earned any amount. The fact that he named his bot b0t shows that him earning money with his bot was very much intentional. People have scammed on here for well under a dollar (likely with the hope of being able to scam multiple times, which would add up), and scamming for a small amount does not make it any less wrong (as mentioned above, I doubt his claim that all he earned was a few thousand satoshi).

Tspacepilot was also inquiring as to how people abuse the faucet on Prime Dice here:

Quote from: tspacepilot on June 02, 2015, 02:42:31 PM

Quote from: MICRO on June 02, 2015, 10:01:58 AM

Quote from: Wendigo on June 02, 2015, 09:16:59 AM

That guy must be logging in typing captchas logging out and in again on another one and so on on all 30 accounts.

McDonald's seems more appealing than this lol.

Nah they actually do other thing.

I mean its ok to claim faucet gamble it up to 50k than tip to ur bank acc so u dont pay for fee each time.

But what they do is something else. And its very abusive and stupid. And coz of people like that primedice cant do all the awesome giveaways and other stuff that they would like to do.

They ruin it for everybody.

And yes i muted lots of them for 1 hour so they cant tip during happy hour but it shoulda been permanent mute for abusing .

If there is to much abusing they will just stop doing happy hours.

What is he doing? I thought you had to gamble like 0.01 on each account in order to activate the faucet. That seems like a lot of gambling to get 30 faucets going. I don't get it.

I believe this shows that he is interested in doing similar things in the future (e.g. using automation to receive money from websites that he should not be receiving.

What tspacepilot did was fraud, when he was originally called out on this fraud, he tried to get out of it by twisting around words and claiming that trust ratings are not appropriate if a trade did not take place within the forum.....this was instead of attempt to return the money that he received that he should not have.

Furthermore when he was called out on his fraud, he responded with intimidation and trolling. Would you consider someone to be trustworthy if after you left them a negative rating, they started trolling both you and JD (without any substance other then the fact that you left an "unjust" rating)?

Knowing that tspacepilot fraudulently withdrew some amount of money from coin chat, and knowing that he lied about it, would you trust him with a small amount of money, say 4BTC? What about an amount similar that was claimed by TF that tspacepilot stole, say 0.5BTC? What about half that amount, say .25BTC? What if there was a way that would guarantee that you are in fact speaking to tspacepilot but had no way to prove your agreement (e.g. only you would know that you got scammed), would you trust him with any of the above amounts?

What do you think would happen if you accidentally sent any of the above amounts to tspacepilot? What about a greater amount? Do you think he would quickly return the money?

Are any of the above answers impacted on the fact that you know that tspacepilot withdrew money from coin chat that he was not entitled to? Does the fact that tspacepilot lied about withdrawing money from coin chat numerous times affect any of the above answers?

I think a lot of people would trust a hero member who they know is the original owner of their account with .25BTC (I don't think tspacepilot has been sold), but I do not think it would be smart to trust tspacepilot with that small of an amount.