Quote from: Krona Rev on August 22, 2015, 07:11:25 AM

Regarding Tor, my axiom was that XT makes running Bitcoin behind Tor difficult, not impossible. You strengthened my axiom in order to attack it more easily. It's not a valid logical technique, but it's one commonly employed: Strawman.

I am sorry to report but it seems you misunderstood my critique of your Tor argument. It would be a straw man if I had strengthened your argument and then defeated the new version I created of your argument, and then claimed victory over your original argument. That is not what I did and I would expect you to more thorough than to miss that.

What I did was strengthen your argument and then show that if your argument were thus strengthened it would be true, and I would accept your argument, but however, the point of strengthening your argument was to contrast it with your original argument, which is not true, and I do not accept. The point of presenting the strengthened version of your argument was to demonstrate the reason for my rejecting your original argument.

The strengthened argument:

Running behind Tor is vital to Bitcoin. Bitcoin XT does not allow running behind Tor. Bitcoin XT should therefore be opposed.

I agree and accept this argument as true because if running behind Tor is vital and Bitcoin XT eliminates running behind Tor it would destroy bitcoin, and therefore Bitcoin XT should be opposed. But it is not the argument you gave. I present the above strengthened argument only to demonstrate why the below original argument is not true, and I do not accept and do not agree with.

The original argument:

Running behind Tor is vital to Bitcoin. Bitcoin XT makes running behind Tor more difficult. Bitcoin XT should therefore be opposed.

I do not agree and do not accept this argument as true because Bitcoin XT still allows the vital function of being able to run behind Tor, it only makes it more difficult to do so. Making it more difficult does not result in the destruction of Bitcoin, and therefore the benefits of Bitcoin XT outweigh the negative aspect of making running behind Tor more difficult. Bitcoin XT should therefore not be opposed for this reason alone.

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I had considered writing more, but after seeing your new post in which you continue to say "Anti-XTers" are not presenting logical arguments and only appealing to emotion I've decided not to bother.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159043.0

I hope it was clear I was not trying to appeal to emotion and giving the outlines of a logical argument. Since you continue to say no one is giving logical arguments, I suspect you're continuing to say it without believing it. This makes conversation pointless.

This makes me sad. You gave a logical argument but refused to defend it beyond falsely accusing me of presenting a straw man argument. The spirit behind the accusation a make that there are no logical arguments is that there are no convincing logical arguments being given. I have not been convinced by your Tor argument, and yours is the only logical argument I have been presented with. Until I am presented with a logical argument that is truly defended and is at least somewhat convincing, I will stand by my claim the the opposition to XT is purely a fear based emotional one, and not a logical opposition.