Quote from: Quickseller on August 25, 2015, 12:48:58 AM

Quote from: DjVoodo on August 24, 2015, 11:17:41 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 24, 2015, 10:25:08 PM

Do either of your have any kind of agreement that you can show that would document the terms of the trade? From the looks of it turtlehurricane has pictures of codes that are potentially fraudulent. He also apparently also loaded those codes onto either his or someone's amazon account and received some kind of gold coin after spending the funds from those codes.

turtlehurricane claims that the fraudulent codes were from DjVoodoo and that he returned the gold coin back to amazon. However this appears to be unsubstantiated, is there any kind of documentation to show that amazon actually received this gold coin back?

DjVoodoo claims that the merchant who sold the gold coin has received payment from amazon, however this seems to be unsubstantiated and would be contradictory to turtlehurricane's claim. He also claims that he does not know anything about the cards being fraudulent.

The trust rating from DjVoodoo to turtlehurricane claims that he sent $1,500 worth of AGC in exchange for 3.75BTC, which works out to $400/BTC. The highest the $/BTC price has been in the last two months is $316 on bitfinex. I am curious to know why exactly that someone would be willing to part with his gift cards for such a low price.

Our agreement, is our history for the last 6 months we did business together, always with hassle, but we did over 50k in business, all together.

I post in my first reply the turtle... text messages print screens to me, showing he received the coin by his affirmation, plus, quickseller, how can be ubsustantiated, if he is saying that the coin was sent back? Huh

LOL. Clearly he had the coin in hands, this means, the merchant got paid, so the problem was at amazon, because in this story, in the end, amazon got screwed by what turtle is saying. 3.75 btc at 250 that was the btc 2 weeks ago, if not higher, means aprox 975, that is .65 from 500 amazon card.

The cards have been paid cash 100%, receipts are showing that, pictures being HD, can be verified at the store.

Now, how can you send something, with big value without a receipt? Huh

I think someone is not seeing the big picture here. Don't you see that his words don't connect, if you will follow all the posts plus the print screens i took to his texts? HE is saying to me and to first posts here, that the coins was sent back to amazon, now was sent to merchant. LOL

What was the agreement specifically? Under what conditions would he give you the 3.75BTC?

I understand that he had acknowledged that he received the gold coin, however I also acknowledge that there may be risks to keeping some kind of product after paying for such product with a fraudulent gift card (assuming it is true that the gift card is in fact fraudulent).

I am not familiar with the accounting system at Amazon nor am I familiar with how merchants are paid. I would assume that it would be something along the lines of that amazon advises the merchants that they are okay to sent a product at a certain point and would guarantee payment at that time. Also that if amazon needs to process a refund/return then the merchant would not receive such payment.

I would acknowledge that the merchant was at one point paid, however the question remains if they have still been paid. The question also remains if turtle is able to document the fact that he in fact returned the gold coin. I would also question the "$200 markup" that turtle is claiming he would have had to have paid if he kept the coin, this really does not make sense to me.

I would also like to question turtle (again) as to what exactly he was expecting when he was agreeing to sell his bitcoin at a ~$150 premium above the market rate when he was receiving gift cards that were supposedly purchased in cash very recently....

The agreement was like this:
I give him 1500 in amazon codes, that means 3x500, he redeem the cards, order the gold coin, receive it, sell it and ONLY than i will get my btc.

This agreement worked for over 10 coins (i really don't know exactly, because we did sometime twice a week this, sometimes once per week, for the last 2 months). The amazon cards always came from same guy, so if one is fraudulent, than all was, in this case turtle should be in jail for at least 1 month now.
The rate was like this .65 for me .35 for him. We start doing this at .75 for me but when first order came, he change the agreement at .70 with my btc at him, so i couldn't disagree, because he was paying me that anyway, and before second he do it .65. Now i was selling amazon on lbc on .70, but because i have honor and i like to keep my old connections (we worked before on ppmc codes), i lower the rate at .65. So his rate was under the LBC rate. IF you want on LBC to find the high rate ok, but behind the scene on LBC there are other rates, because they allow trusted user service and the listings are hidden from the rest of the users. He knows very well my rate on lbc, because i gave him acces to my account when he help me there.

And as quickseller said above, if he got the coin, he must pay per agreement, because all the steps have been fulfill.

The other thing that i didn't pay attention because i didn't want. Amazon will never ask compensation, i did check this, so there is no $200 fee penalty. In the worst case they close your account and do legal steps against you..

So MR. Zachary Gruskin, you did subestimate my intelligence, based on my kindness and that i always tried to work with you lowering my rate, but all this turn against you and this forum now knows what dickhead you are now.

It was so simple to not get this headache by sending proof that the coin or payment was returned and all this never exist. But as you keep the coin for you and didn't want to pay me, you will get this shit all over.