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Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

The rules should be set in stone, and not subject to any major modification and by anyone, or that would create a precedent.

Okay then, we'll go back to the original implementation of Bitcoin that had a 33.5MB blocksize. Satoshi subjected the network to a pretty major modification to the rules when he introduced the 1MB limit.

And we would not be able to fix bugs.
Anybody who says, we should set things in stone, has no idea how anything works. History shows that every culture, who did something like that, had their downfall.

And if you want things set in stone, its odd that you'd pick an open source project where anyone can alter the code. Maybe all the people who see Bitcoin as some private little club for money-worshipping elites should think more carefully about their next investment.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

Just to make things clear... if you ever want to see +1000$/BTC.. and even moar!

What if not all of us are completely obsessed with the fiat value of our bitcoins?

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

Mass adoption will not improve bitcoin's value, it is quite the opposite actually, it will likely flood and drown it.

What if the real "value" isn't how much you can sell it for in fiat, but the potential it holds to change the world for the better by including everyone?

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

But this mass thing is so not going to happen anyway, even if you "scale it" in advance. Sry but wake up, in its current form, bitcoin is out of the reach of regular sheeple.

And I'm sure you'd like to keep it that way.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

But it's its scarcity both in cap and transactions that will allow it to surpass any regular investment.

I mean fuck look at the damned financial markets all around the world that are on the edge of a massive collapse!

We should be surfing that wave if it was not for the community tearing one another over technical things it does not even fully understand!

Okay, we get it, you think the sole purpose of all this is an investment to make you rich. Good for you. Oddly enough, not everyone agrees.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

Stop worrying about scaling and all the technical fuss that you will never grasp anyway,

Patches, bug fix, or next gen 2nd/3rd/etc layers solutions, will come in due time and with fair testing.

Translation: "GTFO my chain, peasant"

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

For now, it is its robustness against human miscalculations, its decentralization, its permission-less-ness and its network's security that matters.

If it's permissionless, why are you trying to tell us what to do? Makes about as much sense as using an open source project when you want things set in stone. A permissionless system doesn't suit your goal. Again, choose your next investment more carefully.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

Why always this urge of Quantitative Easing everything?

That is so wrong on so many levels and in total opposition with bitcoin's fundamentals.

Show me in the whitepaper where it says we have to have a 1MB limit for the sole purpose of making you wealthy.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

So bitcoin is bound not to be free to transact with. The mining fee market should settle as the blocks gets filled.

That is what it takes for miners that will eventually see their block reward drop to zero to secure the system!

How about you stop putting words in the miners' mouths and let them decide? I think they're good enough at math to know that more transactions potentially equals more fees and higher revenues.

Quote from: hdbuck on August 25, 2015, 12:06:50 AM

It's time to be greedy and defend our safe-haven against these social attacks!

Clearly we have very different views on what the fundamental purpose of Bitcoin is. I personally find your views quite repugnant. But ultimately it doesn't matter what you or I think. This is a numbers game. We'll see who has the greater numbers at the end of it all. I suspect the answer is obvious, though. If you want Bitcoin to benefit a small minority more than it benefits the majority, the problem with that is that the majority will be against you.