Quote from: Cyrax89721 on August 25, 2015, 03:53:00 PM

Regarding the discussion on why he might be digging the clams in this fashion, one of the Dev's mentioned that it would be more difficult for them to do it this way because of the randomization, and the assumption is that they're doing it this way to perhaps send a message to us of their motivation. I disagree that it would be more difficult.

I wonder if they didn't just grab a dump of the whole CLAM blockchain up to the last block where the initial distribution took place, exported all the diggable addresses in the order they were funded, and is just backtracking their way through the list while matching each funded addresses to ones that they own. This makes the most sense to me, anyways.

It seems to me you either:

a) check each of the 100k addresses you own to see it if it funded, or

b) check each of the 3 million funded address to see if you own it

(a) is 30 times less work than (b) - so why would you do (b)?

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on August 25, 2015, 05:12:19 PM

Quote from: hrshak462 on August 25, 2015, 05:06:29 PM

Just started looking at Clams. Is this a typo on the website where it mentions May 2013?

http://clamclient.com/start/download/

Yes that is a typo...

May 12, 2014 - Source: www.Clamcoin.org

It's possible for anyone to submit fixes to the CLAM website. I just submitted a pull request to fix the date:
https://github.com/nochowderforyou/nochowderforyou.github.io/pull/3

Once that pull request is merged, the website updates itself automatically.

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on August 25, 2015, 05:12:19 PM

Also, I just wanted to chip in my two cents in regards to forcing people to wait after digging their CLAMS. I am strongly against this. It sounds Dooglus was at one point as well.

I don't think anyone is suggesting a delay. The discussion I saw last night was from people proposing an expiry date for CLAM digging. For example, if you don't dig up and spend your CLAMs by the end of the year, they vanish forever. That's obviously a good thing for the people who already dug up their CLAMs and a bad thing for those who didn't...

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on August 25, 2015, 05:12:19 PM

I believe CLAM should remain how it is or else it will be viewed by everyone as a scamcoin with developers/dooglus who are only interested in their own profits/protecting their profits by using code.

It's hardly a "scam" if the developers "only" give away free coins for the first 18 months instead of forever. But putting an expiry date on digging does seem to remove one of the most innovative qualities of CLAM, as I see it.

Quote from: joust on August 25, 2015, 05:25:09 PM

Is dooglus the developer of clam? I know he uses it on his website for gambling but didnt know he was the inventoe of clam. I don't think he is going for profit, he has always been fair and will stay it!

I am *a* developer of CLAM, but not its inventor. I didn't hear about CLAM until it had been live for quite some time, and so wasn't at all involved in the initial distribution. I've nothing against making a profit - I don't think making a profit is incompatible with being fair. I attempt to be both fair and profitable.

Quote from: galbros on August 25, 2015, 05:49:22 PM

My question is what is the estimate, given his current rate of digging, will this go on? Is he claiming like 10,000 clam per day, with an estimated 500k clam, so we are looking at 50 days of this?

It's hard to get a clear idea of how it will play out. Assuming he is able to dig 3% from each block, that gives him 0.03 (3%) of 3208032 (funded addresses) * 4.60545574 (CLAMs per address) = 443,233 CLAMs. At 15k per day that's 30 days. But there's no reason to assume the digging won't speed up or slow down. Indeed, we can't actually detect "digging" at all. All we can detect is when dug outputs move for the first time. It's quite possible that he already has 500k CLAMs in his wallet, and is just spending them one output at a time. In other words, "digging up old CLAMs" doesn't leave a mark on the blockchain. To dig all you do is import your old wallet.dat file into your CLAM client. Nothing hits the network until you move or stake those dug CLAMs, which is what we're seeing now.

Here's an updated chart of the digging action:

and here's an independently generated chart, showing how the recent digs fit in with the all-time growth:

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/charts.php?type=clamsupply