Quote from: BADecker on August 31, 2015, 12:37:31 AM

Quote from: countryfree on August 30, 2015, 11:17:53 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 30, 2015, 11:02:51 AM

Quote from: countryfree on August 30, 2015, 10:09:31 AM

Welfare programs are also a strong reason for Africans to immigrate to rich countries, which close their borders very precisely not to let foreigners gain access to welfare. Welfare and borders are the same thing: restrictions to freedom.

Welfare payments are the primary reason for people from the third world nations to immigrate to Western countries. For example, take the case of Afghan migrants. The richest country in the world (Qatar) is nearer to Afghanistan when compered to the European nations. Qatar is also culturally similar to Afghanistan. But still, Afghan migrants prefer Europe. The reason - welfare payments.

That's what I'm saying. Welfare systems are a magnet for migrants, and migrations have to be stopped for the sake of the welfare state. Imagine a world without any welfare. There would be much more freedom to travel and move, that's what I want.

Right! If you stop the gigantic welfare financial drain across the board (or even reduce it), you'll never get elected a second term. The only way left is to eliminate certain classes of people. Eliminate the ones whose vote is going to affect you the least when they go south (pun intended).

Yes that's true. People don't want to do things that are boring or learn a productive skill but boy will they do a lot to get to a welfare state. If we were to stop foreigners from getting welfare cheques, or as previously mentioned find a job for them and force them to work. It sickens me to se so many lazy people in the world.