Quote from: seuntjie on August 31, 2015, 11:11:50 PM

Quote from: nyktalgia1 on August 31, 2015, 09:26:34 PM

DON"T use this bot more than once on safedice........... http://prntscr.com/8b4moy

been usin 20 bots on prc until dean changed it to 100 sat min base bet cuz of me, try on here and i fuckin lose on 5 bots within 2 hours, fuck this shit why do i always getFUCKED the hard way!

It takes into account your IP and makes it one big account instead of have predetermined bets on each separate account like PRC..... I got fucked, thanks dean, and thanks safedice for being vaguely different I knew this would fucking happen but fuck, always some asshole trying to screw you! I could tell you were watchin my every bet I knew I should have tried PD or just quit you guys are all scumbags!

Usually I stay out of these debates, but the ridiculousness of this one is just too high to let it slide.

First of all, gambling is gambling. Some days you're lucky, other days you're not, some days you win, others you lose. That's how gambling works. Today, you just had some bad luck and lost. Get over it.

Secondly, PRC and safedice uses an almost identical provably fair method. From PRC:

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When you first visit the site we generate a random string of characters on the server used as your Server Seed. A new server seed can be generated by you before you roll.
A SHA-512 hash of the server seed is shown to you before you bet to prove we can't change it.
When you bet we get a Client Seed you supply (one is auto generated by your browser that you can change).
We take the server seed, client seed and the number of rolls that you have used the current server seed for in the format: n:s:n, n:c:n. Where n is the number of rolls, s the server seed and c the client seed. We take the HMACSHA512 hash of that. We convert the first 5 characters of the hash to decimal and that is your roll.
Sometimes the first 5 characters will not result in a number we can use and so we loop through the next 5 characters 6-10, 11-15 etc until we find one. The code for this is below.

From Safedice:

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o generate your rolls, first we combine your client seed, your server seed, and your bet number:

combination = nonce + ':' + client_seed + server_seed + ':' + nonce
Then, we apply SHA512() twice to hash that combination. That gives us a 128 character hex string:

hash = SHA512(SHA512(combination))
We then take the first 5 characters of that combination hash and convert them to decimal number ranging from 0 to 1,048,575 (16^5-1). If it is less than 1 million, we divide it by 10,000 and use it as your roll outcome. Otherwise, repeat using the next five characters. We will be able to repeat the process up to 25 times.

In very rare case none of the 25 trials are lower than 1 million when converted to decimal, we use the remaining 3 characters and convert it as your roll number. The chance of this event is negligible (48576/1000000)^25.

Literally the ONLY difference between the two methods are that PRC uses n:s:n as message and n:c:n as key with a hmacsha512 and safedice uses n:cs:n and sha256 to generate a hash. You can verify these rolls the same way you can verify the rolls at prc. In fact, you can even use my bot to do so. Check under view -> roll verifier. Then you can use the bet history window to check the roll numbers. I openly invite you to verify these rolls. If you have any trouble, forward me your DiceBot.db files and I'll check them for you and post the results here. If you can provide proof that they scammed you instead of you just having some bad luck, I'll personally investigate and back you in your claims if I find similar results.

The idea of a site making one big account based on your IP is ridiculous in itself. Your account seeds would get completely messed up and it would be extremely easy for someone to PROVE that they are scamming, instead of just ranting like you are now. There would be skipped nonces, or one bet made using one seed and another using another seed and then the first again on the first account. Or your roll's wouldn't verify to the seeds and nonces they should have.

Thirdly, You seem to be under the impression that you have a winning strategy that can beat the house edge. That's not how gambling works. If a casino has a 1% house edge, will lose 1% of everything you wager eventually. And the longer you play, the more likely it becomes, the closer to 1% you get. That's not what this bot is for. Botting is just a fun way to make dice more interesting. If you're mad that you lost 1.38 btc while gambling, you shouldn't have been gambling with that money.

Bottom line, you're a sore loser that doesn't understand how gambling works.

I've had my say and I don't intend on participating in this ridiculous discussion any further
For future references, please keep the scam accusations of sites on their own threads and off of this one. This one is specifically to discuss the bot. I follow the threads of all the sites supported by the bot. If I see something that merits it, I'll remove that site from the bot.