Quote from: philipma1957 on September 03, 2015, 03:08:52 AM

I use trac fone fuck smart phones.

Quote from: ManeBjorn on September 03, 2015, 06:08:35 AM

That is really aggressive Phil. I look forward to seeing you do that.

Ew.

Also,

Quote from: tiberium on September 03, 2015, 07:00:06 AM

retrofitting boards and selling direct to customers is not a viable & sustainable business model IMO.

Well you're in luck, because that's not actually what our business is about. We're not doing any retrofitting of boards, but building new boards which can be retrofit onto existing machinery. A strict parsing of your sentence leads me to believe you misunderstood that point, but I could be wrong. Additionally, the boards are one of several ongoing projects within and without Bitcoin. It's mostly my focus, really, and Novak's working on nifty stuff for completely different markets.

Quote from: tiberium on September 03, 2015, 07:00:06 AM

A viable business would be starting a farm

Right, but starting a farm helps literally nobody but ourselves. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but most of the things Novak and I have been doing on the forum over the last, um, slightly longer than two years has been centered around not being greedy and working to help other folks who are getting the short end of things on account of all the people running big farms. You're basically telling us that a good business to be in is the exact opposite business we're in.

Quote from: tiberium on September 03, 2015, 07:00:06 AM

you guys are insanely smart, just horrible businessmen.

True on both counts. Neither of us want to be businessmen, and neither of us really like businessmen. Right now I hold a deep respect for exactly one businessman, which is my uncle who, in partner with about five other people, quit working at a factor and started their own because upper management wouldn't let them make required changes that would get their product quality up and better serve the customer. Surprise, within two years the old place was almost out of business and his company was building an addition to double the workspace. I respect the kind of businessman whose decisions center around doing the best job possible because perfection has its own merits, not because perfection is optimal on your price/profit curves.
You might have noticed we're not giving bulk discounts on Compacs, and probably won't have bulk discounts on any miners going forward. That's because I don't want to be the kind of business that does favors to rich people. By not favoring the rich, we're respecting regular folks. In the bitcoin economy, the rich and the regular folks are in direct competition for a finitely scarce resource, except everyone from power companies to mining manufacturers are giving rich guys help and nobody's doing jack squat for the guys at the bottom. As a guy at the bottom myself, why the heck should I be in business to favor the rich, or to become the rich myself (by first incurring massive debt, of course, to build up the business you recommend - which is pretty stupid already, since the only debts my business has right now are monthly bills like rent and electric) by ignoring and, by merit of simply existing, screwing over all of my peers? That actually does sound a lot like how businesses get run in America, but another thing you might notice about Novak and I is we don't really care how things are done elsewhere or by other people. We have our standards of "right" and we operate by those standards. Terrible businessmen? Yes. Operate a farm and build machinery only for ourselves? Hell no. Never.