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anyway to get back on topic.

i say my needs are not being meet in crypto. other more traditional means serve me better then anything thats come out of this community (and i'm definitely not alone, as anyone whos tried to use cryptos as a currency would see).

so what is needed in a p2p currency?

Out of curiosity. What needs are not being met?

lol where to begin.

a usable, simple, widely accepted p2p currency, involving no money changes (ie fee free), with no centralised control, that retains a stable price.

What you're asking requires the involvement of millions of people. That can't be designed into a currency.

Only governments can force millions of people to use a certain currency, so it makes no sense for you to expect it to happen without centralized control.

Moving money takes work, so fees will always exist. As long as there is more than one currency in the world, there will always be "money changes".

disagree completely.

Well that seems easy, then. Is that what you want from a currency? Just whatever you say, with no explanation required?

You say you want "a usable, simple, widely accepted p2p currency, involving no money changes (ie fee free), with no centralised control, that retains a stable price".

As you know, it doesn't exist. As most people know, it's impossible for that to exist immediately. It takes time, and Bitcoin is headed there.

But you can't expect everything overnight. Even American Express doesn't fit your requirements as a payment processor. No fiat money is decentralized, and each fiat currency is mainly accepted in only one region. So even when governments force people to use a currency, it still doesn't "meet your needs".

Maybe, like a woman making excuses for sleeping with other men besides her husband, saying "my needs aren't being met" is just an excuse that doesn't mean anything. It's just some vague way of rejecting any responsibility for your own life by implying that it's someone else's responsibility to meet your needs.

The things you say you want in a currency:
- usable
- simple
- widely accepted
- p2p
- no money changes/fee free
- no centralized control
- stable price

So before Bitcoin, how many of those needs were met with any currency?
And how many of those things does Bitcoin already do?

- Bitcoin is usable.

- Bitcoin is relatively simple, especially compared to "go create your own new decentralized p2p currency, something which has never existed before". Bitcoin solved that problem.

- Bitcoin is widely accepted in global terms, moreso than any currency other than maybe the U.S. Dollar. But even U.S. Dollars don't work in vending machines in most countries. I can't use dollars, or my credit or debit cards, to buy anything from England online. My banks don't allow it. But I can use Bitcoin, so Bitcoin is more widely accepted in that case.

- p2p...yes, crypto is really neglecting your personal needs. When will anyone in crypto develop a p2p currency? This guy has NEEDS!

- No money changes - again, you're asking for one worldwide currency. All other currencies would have to be outlawed in order to get rid of "money changes". That requires centralized control. A lot of closet authoritarians whine about the rules, but they only whine to get the rules changed by the existing authorities. In other words, they love authority and depend upon it. They might have a little riot sometimes, but the only thing that really appeases them is for Big Daddy Government to pay them some attention.

- Fee Free - Can you give us an example of such a currency? Of course you can't. Today marks the 20th birthday of eBay; compare those fees to Bitcoin. For 20 years, millions of people have been buying online. Their best option has been 3% fees and waiting 3 days to get their money. Until Bitcoin.

- Stable Price - the British Pound is the world's oldest currency, and it's not stable. But then, Bitcoin is the world's newest currency and is already worth 150 times more than the British Pound. But Bitcoin has already been out for like 6 years, isn't that enough time already? We should probably give up, it's a lost cause if it can only be worth 150 times more in 6 years. 30 years ago the Pound was worth $2.40, and now it's worth $1.50.

- No centralized control...So you want a new currency that no one has ever used before, that isn't controlled or maintained by anyone, and you want EVERYONE to accept it, FOR FREE, and give up all their life's savings in exchange for this new money, AND you want it to be totally simple and easy to use, like no big deal right? You just put an app on your phone, click it, and all your life's savings is gone and now you have phone money! Simple! But you want all of that to happen without anyone being in charge of it, and you want it NOW.

Seriously, isn't Bitcoin already more than you could ever expect to happen? Even if you say it doesn't fit your requirements, it fits them better than anything else does. So you have to choose which items on your list are more important; a newer crypto might have some features you like, but it won't be more widely accepted or more stable than Bitcoin.

The point is that you already have currency that meets your needs, or you wouldn't be able to buy anything and you would starve to death. The real question is whether Bitcoin is an improvement over the currency you were previously using. It's one thing to say "This is the best option in the world, and eventually it can be made even better". But what you're saying is more like "The best thing in the world isn't good enough for me, I wish someone would make it perfect."