Quote from: TPTB_need_war on September 09, 2015, 08:28:24 PM

Quote from: smoothie on September 09, 2015, 08:19:21 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on September 09, 2015, 08:14:16 PM

Quote from: smoothie on September 09, 2015, 07:43:12 PM

Delegated is not the same as decentralized.

Nor is it necessarily an antithetical concept. Delegated can be decentralized and effectively as trustless as Satoshi's design is (with some differing assumptions that have differing tradeoffs).

No one said that it was antithetical. The point is they are not the same.

Guns and bullets are not the same, but they don't preclude working together. If your point is that delegation does not necessarily imply decentralization, then so what. Satoshi's white paper Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System doesn't have the word decentralized in the name. The title of my white paper emphasizes the key feature of the design. That omission of word in the title doesn't insinuate that it isn't decentralized nor trustless.

Come on I don't want to get into silly tit'for'tat noise.

Quote from: r0ach on September 09, 2015, 08:24:52 PM

Trying to claim a system like DPoS isn't decentralized and saying PoW Bitcoin is, is the biggest red herring in the room. It's trading one set of pros and cons for another, then you weigh what you gained and what you lost and find the winner. If Bitcoin's current implementation with PoW was buzz word "decentralized", then it would have never hit 50% or more hash rate at Ghash, and Peter Todd wouldn't have sold half his Bitcoin when it happened...

Very well stated. Thanks. I am not too clear yet on the DPoS design and its tradeoffs. I will look into it.

Did you even look up the word delegated?

It does require trust in order to delegate. Not sure how you have a delegated transaction consensus without trust.

Otherwise, why delegate in the first place?

Or is that just a word you use to put there not actually wanting to have it carry its meaning behind it?

Not trying to get into a silly argument.

You called your system "delegated" yet there it is trustless. As far as I am aware in order to delegate you need to have a central point to delegate from and trust those who you are delegating to.

Otherwise why call it delegated? Poor word choice perhaps?

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del·e·gate
verb
past tense: delegated; past participle: delegated
ˈdeləˌɡāt/
entrust (a task or responsibility) to another person, typically one who is less senior than oneself.
"he delegates routine tasks"
synonyms: assign, entrust, pass on, hand on/over, turn over, devolve, depute, transfer
"she must delegate routine tasks"
send or authorize (someone) to do something as a representative.
"Edward was delegated to meet new arrivals"
synonyms: authorize, commission, depute, appoint, nominate, mandate, empower, charge, choose, designate, elect
"I don't recall which personnel were delegated to carry out the inspections"