Quote from: freeyourmind on September 10, 2015, 06:22:57 AM

Quote from: the joint on September 09, 2015, 10:34:19 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 09, 2015, 06:37:04 PM

@Joint
Why are you talking about science? I do not see anything in my post that mentions science! Think the closest I come to mentioning science is "bias".
This I do not understand though,now that you mention it,why do the camps need to be so clearly defined? Is there no room for people that sit out this dance
between believing and non-believing?
The problem with my posts is BitNow refuses to clarify his post and instead goes on a tirade that clouds the discussion. I will bow out to I see more rational thoughts being expressed.

I mentioned science because it's by far the most common refuge that atheists take when attempting to support their lack of belief in God. Relevant to your post, it's a refuge that lacks merit as a basis for not believing in God (i.e. scientific evidence alone doesn't suggest anything about God one way or the other).

There's room for everyone regardless of whether they believe, don't believe, don't care, or are undecided. That doesn't matter. What matters is what is true, and so we can just stick to who is right and who is wrong, and why.

I don't think that science is used to prove or disprove that god exists as there is no way to do that. It is usually used to disprove certain parts of religious text, like evolution vs. creationism or the age of the earth, and then say if that is incorrect, how can we tell the rest is true?

Nobody knows what God is like, except a tiny bit maybe. Science shows us that there is a great intelligence behind everything that exists. It fits a basic definition of the word "God."

Quote from: freeyourmind on September 10, 2015, 06:22:57 AM

Regarding the attempt to support the lack of belief - having a belief in something isn't the default. Without any conditioning, I don't think many people would even think up the concept of a god, let alone a specific religious ideology. So for those that weren't conditioned from birth, there really isn't an explanation to support the lack of belief...it's just not a part of their life.

Perhaps it is true that not many people would think up the idea of God on their own. But enough of them would that when they talked about it, the other people would see the logic of it. The evidence for this is the numbers of peoples of various nations, from little tribes in the Amazon rain forests, to gigantic nations like China and India.

True, not everybody has a serious idea of God. And many might simply be following tradition so that they can hold their place in society peacefully, but there are many that follow the idea that others suggest to them. If there weren't, the idea of God would not be a worldwide thing.