Quote from: freeyourmind on September 10, 2015, 06:22:57 AM

Quote from: the joint on September 09, 2015, 10:34:19 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on September 09, 2015, 06:37:04 PM

@Joint
Why are you talking about science? I do not see anything in my post that mentions science! Think the closest I come to mentioning science is "bias".
This I do not understand though,now that you mention it,why do the camps need to be so clearly defined? Is there no room for people that sit out this dance
between believing and non-believing?
The problem with my posts is BitNow refuses to clarify his post and instead goes on a tirade that clouds the discussion. I will bow out to I see more rational thoughts being expressed.

I mentioned science because it's by far the most common refuge that atheists take when attempting to support their lack of belief in God. Relevant to your post, it's a refuge that lacks merit as a basis for not believing in God (i.e. scientific evidence alone doesn't suggest anything about God one way or the other).

There's room for everyone regardless of whether they believe, don't believe, don't care, or are undecided. That doesn't matter. What matters is what is true, and so we can just stick to who is right and who is wrong, and why.

I don't think that science is used to prove or disprove that god exists as there is no way to do that. It is usually used to disprove certain parts of religious text, like evolution vs. creationism or the age of the earth, and then say if that is incorrect, how can we tell the rest is true?

Regarding the attempt to support the lack of belief - having a belief in something isn't the default. Without any conditioning, I don't think many people would even think up the concept of a god, let alone a specific religious ideology. So for those that weren't conditioned from birth, there really isn't an explanation to support the lack of belief...it's just not a part of their life.

1) Right, there's no way to prove or disprove God exists using science, but that doesn't stop many atheists (or theists for that matter) from thinking there is. Case in point, it's all over this thread.

2) Science doesn't disprove creationism by proving evolution. These two ideas aren't mutually exclusive or inverse to each other, so proving evolution doesn't disprove creationism. Can other aspects of religious texts be disproved? Yes, but only those things which fall within an empirical context.

3) There are atheists who have a lack of belief in God, and those who also assert a belief that God doesn't exist. It's the latter group which I've been referencing.