Quote from: EcuaMobi on September 10, 2015, 05:27:47 PM

I really think you're overreacting because of your previous problems with QS. Colluding may be understood as just "acting together" with somebody, with that definition escrowing for yourself is definitely a collusion but it's not necessarily a scam. However I think the most accepted definition of collusion includes "with evil or harmful intent" or "to conspire in a fraud", in this case escrowing for yourself is not collusion; you're colluding only if you do harm (i.e. scam) somebody else by acting together with your other self (i.e. your alt). So escrowing for yourself is just the first step that could end on a collusion.

You're right that QS' behavior towards me for the last 6 months has certainly earned him a special place in my heart. And I was sorta trying to emphasize that by pointing out that if he hadn't been harrassing me with all of his sockpuppet accounts, I certainly wouldn't have ever run across his self-escrow scheme.

With respect to scams, it seems to me that taking an escrow fee while leaving the other party out of the loop is the definition of taking money for a service and not providing that service. QS has said several times in this thread that if his victim/trading-party was unaware of the fact, then there's no harm done and no foul. He references something he calls "efficient markets" and says that the only thing a rational person cares about is how much money leaves or enters his wallet. I think those statements together betray a sort of dangerous sollipcism. he stil doesn't seem to understand that for a person who hired him as escrow, that person was expecting that both parties send to an escrow, not to have to send first. That person paid money to him to mitigate risk and he pocketed that money without providing the risk abatement insurance that a third party could provide. Even now as he writes about this he states that "he is always fair", "he is never wrong because he's so careful". These statments seem to betray the fact that he can't realize that fairness is also a matter of prespective. That it's impossible to be objective as humans, that his perspective comes with his own bias (as do each of our perspectives). I leave people to judge for themselves what his statements, his actions with sockpupets, not to mention his trust ratings betray about his ability to act with impartiality or neutrality. I think it's good that this stuff has seen the light of day.

That said, yes, I'm probably overreacting

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That said, I reiterate I'd prefer to use an escrow that never escrows for himself and I'd definitely wouldn't do it myself. I find this activity unacceptable and far from transparent. But saying someone that does that (and doesn't steal money or do harm while doing it) is necessarily a scammer or similar is an exaggeration.

I mainly agree with you, but I think that (1) QS did steal money in this case, whereas there's no evidence to suggest that TC has done so; (2) the ability to decide when you've done harm is biased, and no one should be allowed to be both arbiter and party to the argument. People who think they can do so either haven't really thought it out, or they're nuts.

Quote from: Quickseller on September 10, 2015, 05:55:05 PM

Lol. You did not find my alt. you were tipped off about Panthers being my alt. You were told to delete the PMs (and so would the person who you were messaging) so the PMs would be deleted from the forums DB.

I don't know what you're talking about here, man. I think the paranoia is perhaps overtaking you. Lol, now that I think about it, who would have tipped me anyway? Did you tell someone that Panther52 was your alt? I don't think you realize something about yourself man:

1) you have a distinctive way with words (cf. the quantification of this in the OP)
2) your persecution of me was outlandish and over-the-top

Put these toegether and it's really not that hard to see what's going on when an account I've otherwise had no contact with starts PMing me about havesting my transaction details and bitcoin addresses with vague motivations like 'maybe I can help'. Or when that guy starts leaving me ranting PMs saying that I'm nothing but an off-topic posting scammer, but he can get me some deals on a lealanna coin. Comeon man, you have to try to step outside of yourself once in a while to see how others perceive you. And when that guys shows up in the thread accusing quickseller of trust abuse and starts ranting about the same exact things that Quickseller has been doing to try to distract from the matter at hand, it was really more than obvious to anyone who was looking. As I said to you then, are you sure you want to keep pulling more and more alts into this? I mentioned at the time that I was surprised you were going to end up outing an alt you were doing escrows for.

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However both you and the person you were colluding with vastly underestimated me. Mwa ha haaaa!

FTFY.

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The "test" that you ran was run in multiple ways and you picked the one that gave the results that you were looking for. Then you continued to run similar tests on other accounts until you found three others that gave you the results you were looking for.

Were you in my room living on my computer? Here you go again proclaiming "facts" you have no pertenence to.

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Your test is scientifically invalid and your hypothesis was not sufficiently tested and the reason you did not test it was because doing so would not give the results you are looking for. There is a reason why you did not "run more tests tomorrow" as you promised to do several days ago.

You're right. The reason is that you fessed up. Why do more experiments to verify the already verified?

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Your setup is sufficiently complex so that it would be unlikely that anyone would even check your work to make sure the results that you claim to have gotten is what you actually got (nor for others to be able to run similar tests on others). I also have my doubts that you actually were able to design this test yourself, although I will not go as far as to say that you did not personally run these tests.

Lol, I love it. I'm clearly too stoopid to do anything clever, ever. You're probably right. If you decide to use that superior intellect of yours to build you own language models for youself, the instructions are in the OP. PM me if you need help.