Quote from: TPTB_need_war on September 14, 2015, 01:26:39 PM

This is the start of the devolution of the UK and it will end very, very, very badly. Mark my word. Watch and learn if you can (unfortunately most Westerners have been so indoctrinated they can't see the truth).

I'm wondering why you believe that the devolution of the UK will result in it ending very badly. I'm attempting to learn before things unfold as best I can; the distinction between challenges to wider Europe in general to that of the UK.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on September 14, 2015, 01:52:53 PM

...We Gen X did not grow up entitled. We have to struggle on our own to get where we are. We don't feel entitled, and thus we are not stakeholders in the society that the Boomers built. We trust the free market, because that is what we were dealing with on our own. Social security won't be there for us. The boomers took more than all (debt every where). We've had to scrap and negotiate hard to get some. And instead of giving back to us now the peace of individual freedom that we want, they want to put their value system on us (which will continue to escalate the wars).

So now we can understand why boomer's (you) politics are loyalty, enforcing idealistic values, and maintaining entitlements.

And Gen X's (me) politics are liberty, pragmatic survival, individualism (honor), and distrust of values and institutions. I am libertarian anarchist. So trying to convince me that the entitled state should enforce values, is like me telling you that we should privatize the government.

Fascinating.

It explains why we are going to disagree about any political/social topics, such as Hackers, Transparency, media's role in society, etc..

As a late Boomer, I don't really find myself connecting with the alleged values my own cohort should posess of "politics are loyalty, enforcing idealistic values, and maintaining entitlements"; a broad generalization, surely. I find I have more in common with the attributes of GenXers and Millennials.

While as a Brit I've benefitted from free education, healthcare and the welfare safety net, I no longer take these for granted. Rather than clinging to an unrealistic expectation of entitlement, sustainable civilization would be closer to my (perhaps somewhat lofty) goal; but difficult to invisage with growing population numbers and increasing demands from the non-productive (whether through misfortune, illness, laziness or being surplus to requirements etc) on the productive. I've seen the writing on the wall for some years now. I'm a pragmatist looking for realistic options.

Btw, I think the interpretation of Libertarianism to Americans seems quite different to that of Europeans.