Quote from: popcorn1 on September 17, 2015, 11:00:12 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 17, 2015, 10:50:29 PM

Quote from: popcorn1 on September 17, 2015, 10:38:31 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 17, 2015, 10:32:33 PM

Quote from: popcorn1 on September 17, 2015, 10:27:25 PM

this is the way i think about god..
if you were my friend and you said to me i have just won 1 million pounds..i would say oh yer right what ever..and i would not believe you..but if you showed me it then i would have to believe you..

well people have been saying all my life there is a god but not 1 person on this planet has showed me him yet ..nor has he showed him self to me.. Have you seen him MMH...

I've had experiences and knowledge showing me proof. But those with hardened hearts who disbelieve are not going to experience Him like that, they're being kept behind a veil that doesn't let the light in. There are so many things the bible has predicted, and so many anti-Christian (in particular) hatred movements that make me wonder why people can't see it's the Truth. There's no reason to be so anti-Christian if it was just another religion. Just IMHO.

what have you experienced to make you believe in god ..Do tell..what did you see..

I didn't say I "saw" anything. I've had experiences and knowledge. But as I said people who don't believe in God will not believe in anyone's personal experiences. They want "proof". You said it yourself. Proof to one person is not proof to another. And no matter what, science can't prove anything either because everything they know could be a program like in the matrix. The best way to have personal proof, is to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, and ask Him to fill you with the Holy Spirit. But it's not the best reason. The best reason to get "saved" is because you're sick and tired of being a slave to sin and want to be free. Jesus sets us free from the bondage if we want to be free.

what like a climax Cheesy

thats not god Cheesy

what did you experience then..

Deliverance, evil spirits (demons), prayer working, getting out of "sleep paralysis" just by saying Jesus's name, etc. Nothing that would convince anyone else that God exists.

Quote from: 1aguar on September 17, 2015, 11:24:31 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 17, 2015, 10:50:29 PM

The best way to have personal proof, is to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, and ask Him to fill you with the Holy Spirit. But it's not the best reason. The best reason to get "saved" is because you're sick and tired of being a slave to sin and want to be free. Jesus sets us free from the bondage if we want to be free.

God's people DIE for lack of knowledge, but the truth can set us free. So, let us reason about the truth! I have doubts about this "savior" doctrine; I hope you can clarify.

MMH, won't you Please tell us:

1) where Emmanuel actually suggested he was my savior? *
2) how such a belief is not magical thinking?
3) how you can still have full responsibility for your life if someone else has taken that burden?
4) why didn't Emmanuel explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as ones personal savior to get to heaven while he was alive over and over again?
5) Why must Man have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take his burden and "save even his soul"? Is it because you think Man is separate from God and that God does not reside within you?
6) Since Matthew 7:17-21 refutes the notion that mere faith suffices for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and even calling Jesus "Lord" is not enough; how can this possibly be reconciled with the doctrine of Paul which you promote?

* Since the ending of Mark was probably added a long time after the gospel was written and is not considered by scholars to be authentic, and this would include Mark 16:16, could you please take note of this fact in your answer to my question of "where did Emmanuel actually suggest he was my savior?"

I will post this link again for your education:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

You're the one who believes in the teachings of an "alien" right? I don't agree with that philosophy. I believe it was demonic, to get people to not be saved.

Everyone has full responsibility for what they choose to do or not, but they can either be a slave to their sin and continue to do it, even if they wanted to stop, or stop with the help of Jesus, because He frees us. Matthew only says those doing the will of the Father will get in, he doesn't say all who do the will of the Father will get in. I'm not going to debate that though, I know there's a line that talks about people later being judged by works, but those aren't the elect who get to live with Jesus for 1,000 years and they have to go through the wrath of God part, so it's really not preferable to go through all that and do good works and hope it works out, versus just believing that Jesus came to save us. But that's not a good reason to believe in God, so whatever. I'm not going to get into a long discussion with you. I don't believe you'll actually change your mind on this issue, so we have to agree to disagree as I did the last time I talked with you here.