Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on September 19, 2015, 05:32:18 PM

Quote from: OROBTC on September 19, 2015, 04:39:17 PM

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on September 19, 2015, 03:06:38 PM

I guess this explains their hostility to burkas. It surprises me that the French allowed no-go zones to develop in muslim communities throughout the country.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Very scary, bigtimespaghetti, thanks for posting the link.

I have read bits & pieces about the No-Go Zones in France (and there are apparently such places in much of Europe). Of course that is a very bad thing, as tolerant Western values are being lost even as hateful values are growing.

My family and I have been to Paris a few times over the decades. YES, the city is less comfortable for tourists (esp. the Metro), and we never even went to bad neighborhoods.

The whole Muslim immigration (and lack of integration) mess is an enormous problem for Europe. And it is getting worse by the day.

Yeah, a lot of my liberal friends put it down to impoverished ghettos, which I can see their point. Perhaps it is no worse than that? I don't know.

On the subject of integration, a particularly unpleasant read:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany

Yes, thanks for posting both links, bigtimespaghetti. At present it seems impossible to know where the truth lies. I find myself agreeing with much of what Macsga says on the subject of the migrant/refugee situation (the distinction between the two seeming to be less and less discernable recently) on the previous page, as too with points you make in your reply:

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on September 19, 2015, 09:10:57 AM

...I have nothing against waves of immigration (I'm British, and in general we are very tolerant of other cultures). I do think that the level of immigration will seriously affect integration though- we are talking millions, not tens of thousands as has been the norm. I don't think there is is a comparative example anywhere in recent western history (perhaps post WW2?). There are already a lot of tensions in Western countries do to multicultural immigration policies, it just seems to me that this will exacerbate matters further...

I wonder if this is a divide and conquer strategy by TPTB regarding Europe, for instance, or simply a chaotic and unplanned result of previous US (and allies) military adventures in the numerous lands these people are now fleeing.