Quote from: OROBTC on September 22, 2015, 06:05:13 PM

And when our (America's) turn arrives, the young Muslim males will not assimilate here either. Would bringing in their women and children help that? No, current evidence is that it would not. See Muslim women who dress in their hijabs.

But the Muslim immigrants don't dare do any shootings or other violent nonsense in Texas, or they will find out there is a gun under ever rock. Perhaps they can make a mess of NYC.

And Southwest, the Latinos (Hispanics) will take care of the problem if they get too bothersome in the inner cities. In Mexico, you can see the local Mexicans are starting to take matters into their own hands and arming themselves and forming community patrols.

America is inherently more immune than Europe, because Europe has this Freudian disease where they disarm themselves, have some noble arrogance about the virtues of socialism to cover up for their guilt about their addiction to imperialism.

From my perspective, the USA's main problem is that a large percentage of the population is undisciplined and has lost the core values (don't work hard, don't know how to survive off the land, addicted to their cell phones, shopping, and McFat). But the ones who retain such core values will break away from the rest. This is why the USA will split into regions as Armstrong's model predicts (might not be within our lifetime though for those of us in our 50s). Whereas, Europe will sink into a Orwellian morass and be run top-down from Brussels with massive chronic social issues and economic decline.

If the Federal government wasn't so strong in the USA, I would consider returning there and making the good fight. The problem is it is going to be quite the battle to diminish the Feds. Going to play out over some decade(s). I don't have time for that, I am already 50. For example, if I owned some land out in the boonies, the BLS can fuck with me such as in the Bundy Ranch case. Of course it will be same any where, but I'd much prefer a weak Federal government such as Argentina. For example in the USA it will increasingly become impossible to just walk across the border. If Trump has his way, the'll build a wall along the entire border.

But if I was a young person who is not yet independently wealthy (or who doesn't want to live like a hippie with no material wealth), I might consider immigrating to the USA (but make sure you understand the tax implications) if you select an area that has good opportunities that match your skills. It has more upside than Europe. Argentina would not be a good choice for a young person, because the economy is so restricted by corruption and basically a feudal system of agriculture (some think that might change with the current election, but it is doubtful that Perónism can die that quickly). Chile would be better if you prefer South America. For a 20-something man, all the first world options would be probably be better than Chile, such as Canada, USA, Singapore, New Zealand, and Australia. But again, I am talking about young men who want to forsake the Nanny State and work hard for their future. Note they may be able to squeeze more economic results out of Europe yet, so might not yet be the ideal time to emigrate yet being early does have the advantage of acting while being viable.

Quote from: bigtimespaghetti on September 22, 2015, 11:24:39 AM

Quote from: trollercoaster on September 22, 2015, 10:54:20 AM

Australia's pretty fucked too, it's just a slightly different flavour of shit compared to Europe Wink

Ha! Thanks for the heads-up.

But didn't you just overthrow the current party that was headed down the wrong direction and isn't there a lot of land out in the boonies to get away from the daily interaction with the Federal government and isn't there likelihood of a burgeoning economy in the major cities after China bottoms in 2020 and the Asians investing big time in Australia over the next decades.

For a young person, Australia looks a lot better than Argentina. Ideologically I hate the socialism and totalitarianism that is developing in Australia, but they don't have the insoluble economic situation of Europe. Europe has been working on fucking itself up and addiction to imperialism for 1000s of years. Australia is still developing its capabilities for self-destruction.

No doubt Australia is a 5 Eyes country and the Orwellian tracking and dog tagging of humans will be pervasive, but I am speaking about a young European who already agrees to being a tagged dog any way.

For you and I, we want an escape. That is a different priority set.