Quote from: 1aguar on September 22, 2015, 09:34:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 22, 2015, 08:14:46 PM

Jesus is the only righteous One. He is the only One Who obeyed those laws perfectly. Jesus is the only One Who did what the Father asked. Nobody else. Only Jesus.

It's not true, because Abraham, Moses, Daniel, etc. were all righteous.

He did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", or anything like that. He gave one commandment, and told you to follow him in his teaching because HE was on the way to the Father.

He came to show us the way, but he was not the way itself. He said the Kingdom of God is within YOU, not within "Jesus"; he said you must do your works in the light, not sit at home "believing" and waiting for rapture. It is so convenient for you and MMH to totally ignore that he said "the Kingdom of God is within you".

The Lord gave us predictions that Jesus would come to save us. Before Jesus came, they had to sacrifice/spill blood to get clean. When Jesus came, they stopped doing the sacrifices because Jesus WAS OUR SACRIFICE. His blood is what gets us clean. If you do not get covered by His grace, you are not clean.

The Holy Spirit is inside of us.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price : therefore glorify God in your body.

Jesus Christ was the sacrifice and so if you are clean (by believing in Jesus and getting the Holy Spirit), your body is now a temple of God.

Jesus was the sacrifice, we are just a temple.

Quote from: 1aguar on September 22, 2015, 09:41:22 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 22, 2015, 08:12:35 PM

Quote from: 1aguar on September 22, 2015, 06:44:40 PM

I am confused for two reasons:
1) I learned about the importance of obeying God's Law and the New Commandment from the Phoenix Project writings, so apparently they DO provide a Christian teaching. Is it not enough for you that these writings teach the truth of the two commandments that Jesus gave us?
2) You say that Jesus saves us, but Jesus gave this command: "There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live", so there is no other requirement in order to be a Christian, and you do NOT need a savior in order to have life. It seems to me that Jesus showed us the path, but he himself was not that path. Would you agree?

1aguar the 2 commandments Jesus told us to follow are here:

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Right, so my questions to you are:
1) Is it not enough for you that these writings teach the truth of the two commandments that Jesus gave us?
2) Did Jesus not state "thou shalt live", which means that there is no other requirement in order to be a Christian?

1) It is enough. You're breaking it by not loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul by denying that Jesus had to die to be the sacrifice for us to get clean.
2) Yes, if you would love the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.

Quote from: 1aguar on September 22, 2015, 09:41:22 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 22, 2015, 08:12:35 PM

You think you are god, and that everyone is god and you, yourself can save yourself.

This is not loving the Lord thy God with all thy heart! That is loving yourself over God, the creator of us.

I love not self over God's Law of goodness, for without God I am nothing, but God resides within me so I must acknowledge that I have the power to obey what he has written upon my heart. When you realize who you are, that is when you start taking responsibility for obeying God, for listening to God who resides within you, for listening to your heart!!

Quote from: 1aguar on September 22, 2015, 02:06:40 AM

The problem with religion is that it attempts to separate the human from God;
God resides within you, everyone is capable of following the golden rule, it is ingrained into human consciousness.
All monotheists acknowledge only ONE God, so they are really all talking about the same intelligence as described by Anthony Flew above.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on September 22, 2015, 08:12:35 PM

The Holy Spirit is inside of us, but we are not God.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

We (everyone) have been bought for a price, Jesus dying on the cross FOR US. We, Christians, do NOT deny the Lord died for us and we could not be free without Jesus.

That is a teaching of Paul, it is not the teaching of Jesus.
Jesus did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", or that he died on the cross for you, or anything like that. He gave one commandment, and told you to follow him in his teaching because HE was on the way to the Father. He came to show us the path, but he was not the path itself.
I don't need a go-between or authority figure, I know that God resides within me!

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The bible clearly says people need a sacrifice to get clean, Jesus was this sacrifice (a gift from God), and we need to believe in Him to get it.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The will is to Love the Lord with all our hearts, mind and soul, and believe in Him. If you doubt His word, you doubt Him.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.