Quote from: Wolf0 on October 01, 2015, 09:04:19 AM

Quote from: bensam1231 on October 01, 2015, 07:43:49 AM

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Quote from: MaxDZ8 on September 30, 2015, 04:21:43 PM

I don't know what numbers you're running, what you guys are stating makes no sense to me.
Do anyone of you even touched a solar panel IRL? Seen one? Bought one?

I'm not sure how touching one would enlighten me about the numbers behind buying one but whatever.

In central EU it would cost me about $7200 to have a decent (5kw) unit that would provide me with 630 watts 0-24h on average.
Using 630 watts 0-24h with $0.14/kWh costs $760 a year so that's over 9 years before reaching ROI.
So yeah, you might be able to get your hands on some super cheap solar panels+inverter+batteries but I'd much rather pay the $0.14 with a grin on my face and spend that $7k on more hardware.

ROI takes a really long time. However, you'll probably never need to get rid of solar because the price of BTC crashes, so it's a much, much, much safer investment. I don't think people really understand how risky crypto mining is. Mining with AMD hardware was literally destroyed for the average joe by a couple developers that got greedy. Like an entire generation of miners were wiped off the map due to a couple private kernels.

again ? I understand you don't like devs making profit (or more than you... don't know...)
But at some point you should stop blaming us and blame yourself (you and the other miners):
* For wanting faster miner than anyone else (yeah it's human, but nobody force anyone to buy faster miners... so if there is a demand, price increase... that's business, I thought you would at least understand that, since you are in altcoin which is mostly about buying and selling stuff Grin

* For not being able to hold their coin and dump like crazy no matter how unprofitable it is for them and any one else (dev included)
I am sorry but each time coins are being dumped, it is because of greedy miner who don't feel like holding a little more... so yes, blame yourself first.

Don't you feel like biting constantly the hand that feed you ?
In that condition, why any dev would help you making money for free
and again developing takes times it is then normal that we get something for our work and when the majority feels like not giving anything, we might turns to those who are ready to give... (again your fault and no we are not greedy, we just want a fair retribution for our work and there is nothing wrong in helping people who help us)

Blaming other is always easy with you, but at some point you should try to do some auto-critics...

You don't feed me dude. That's what the money is for. That's why I keep saying to add a dev fee. It goes the opposite direction. Or is the whole reason you guys are so afraid of a equal sharing crowd funding program because you then wouldn't be able to pretend you're somehow helping people by making private miners and distributing them to the top 3% of miners who can afford them?

Here Ill put it in bold because your eyes always seem to gloss over when I mentioned it: MINER FEE.

Do I need to commission someone to add a optional miner fee to CCminer? Literally paying someone to have you guys take my money? (Funny this almost sounds the complete opposite of what you were arguing) I can't afford to buy a 5-6 BTC miner as I'm a small miner especially after my initial investment with AMD was lost due to the aforementioned bullshit that was traded under the tables, but if you use a fee, we all chip in and make it work. It's proportional and you'll make a hell of a lot more then trading to a handful of people that make more money then you'll ever see.

Here lets add a bit more, has anyone asked Claymore how well he did with his Cryptonote miner? A shining example of how well this works.

You don't even advertise your private miners or their cost. I've purchased every private miner I've heard of that was lucrative so far and I could afford. You wont even give me a offer because you don't like me. Just shows how corrupt and fucked up your logic is.

Wait, now we're obligated to do business with people we don't like?

Nope, but at one point you made it seem like that was a non-argument as long as you have money before. I'm sorry for mistaking you folks for businessmen.

Quote from: theotherme on October 01, 2015, 11:18:53 AM

Quote from: bensam1231 on October 01, 2015, 07:43:49 AM

You don't feed me dude. That's what the money is for. That's why I keep saying to add a dev fee. It goes the opposite direction. Or is the whole reason you guys are so afraid of a equal sharing crowd funding program because you then wouldn't be able to pretend you're somehow helping people by making private miners and distributing them to the top 3% of miners who can afford them?

Here Ill put it in bold because your eyes always seem to gloss over when I mentioned it: MINER FEE.

Do I need to commission someone to add a optional miner fee to CCminer? Literally paying someone to have you guys take my money? (Funny this almost sounds the complete opposite of what you were arguing) I can't afford to buy a 5-6 BTC miner as I'm a small miner especially after my initial investment with AMD was lost due to the aforementioned bullshit that was traded under the tables, but if you use a fee, we all chip in and make it work. It's proportional and you'll make a hell of a lot more then trading to a handful of people that make more money then you'll ever see.

Here lets add a bit more, has anyone asked Claymore how well he did with his Cryptonote miner? A shining example of how well this works.

You don't even advertise your private miners or their cost. I've purchased every private miner I've heard of that was lucrative so far and I could afford. You wont even give me a offer because you don't like me. Just shows how corrupt and fucked up your logic is.

well, if you want to pay to make me insert that kind of logic, that would already be more interesting... Grin

but as Pallas said, if we want to do it the right way (meaning not violating every licence terms around, then there is a lot more to do... and again most of us are more interested in kernel dev than in playing with that part of ccminer).

Now again, as said Wolf0, I don't feel obligated to sell to anyone... that's why I don't advertise (PR is clearly not my strong suit but so far it hasn't been a problem)
Also it is a question of respect and trust, you are always bashing miner devs, which shows very little respect to us, how could we trust you to not resell or even distribute for free what we would sell you privately ?
It has nothing to do with liking you or not, it is just common sense. From my point of view the risk
I would take by dealing with you, looks to me a bit too high...

Oh yeah? The whole thing stopping this is a license agreement the majority of developers don't even respect as they take the code from open source miners and use it in their private ones anyway? We wouldn't want to violat the 'spirit' of open source now, especially when you're including the majority of developers that actually wrote the work. ~_~

Yeah, just looking for catchalls now.

I'm not always bashing miner developers. What do you think it means when I say I want to give you money? You say 'give us money', I say 'take my money', you say 'you no give us money', I say 'I'll give you money this way because it works for everyone and me', you reiterate 'why you a freeloader'... Apparently asking people to take your money in a different way makes you a bad person. Who knew when it's exactly what you were asking for. There is no 'trust' with a miner fee either as it's built into the program and everyone uses it.

I mentioned I'm sore because I lost a fuckton of money due to AMD developers not listing their private miners, selling them behind the scenes, only selling to certain individuals with a lot of money, AND not selling to people because they just don't like them (regardless of having money)... That actually happened, not just to me, but a lot of people. Those are allll reasons to use a miner fee. If you don't like who you are, change it. At no point did I actually call anyone a smelly ape or hurl insults (unlike people on the other side of this argument).