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Quote from: LightRider on October 10, 2015, 11:12:36 AM

There can be no free market. Humanity cannot become free from reality. The market must create a state to protect itself from reality.

Could you please care to explain this post.

Market participants who attempt to extract profits through trading activities experience significant problems. The exploitation of natural resources and other people for private gain generates conflict.

I exploit other people for private gain myself, it's called employment. I am not generating any conflict. I'm happy with them, they're happy with me.

Quote from: LightRider on October 10, 2015, 11:12:36 AM

To protect themselves from the consequences of that conflict, the market participants must create a state or government to quell those who are exploited. If the market did not do this, then there would be no profitable trading activity, as it would inevitably become intolerable by society as a whole.

You partially acknowledge the problem lies with governments and not the market itself. I am a market participant without the need of a state or government but still enjoy profitable trading atctivity, without the interference of any type of governing.

Quote from: LightRider on October 10, 2015, 11:12:36 AM

This is because the state is generally also responsible for education, and the market would not tolerate the widespread knowledge of this fact.

A free market will tolerate the widespread knowledge of anything. A state/government will not.

It's governments that are screwing us over.
It's governments that are creating conflict.

"Humanity cannot become free from reality." What are you trying to point out here?

You say you're very pleased to see Bitcoin growing but your Zeitgeist movement wants to kill the free market just as most people in power.

The Zeitgeist movement wants to get rid of the market system as a whole. This will completely rob me of what little is left of my freedom.

Actually, you are the one being exploited. A capitalist will not employ you and pay you what you're worth. They will pay you less than the value that you provide the employer because that is the only way they can get profits. Once you and other employees understand this fact, then you will experience the conflict inherent in the system.

A market cannot function without a state to protect it from reality. The fact that you are unaware of the many state regulations and restrictions placed upon you is indicative of the state's education infrastructure doing its job.

We will not ever be able to cheat the laws of physics, and so to abandon and ignore them in favor of the happy story of economics is only going to be detrimental to ourselves and our environment in the long run. In an RBE, we recognize this fact and work within reality in order to protect ourselves and the planet from devastation and destruction. The freedom you have been sold is in fact a slavery to a monetary system.