Quote from: Lauda on October 11, 2015, 04:22:32 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on October 11, 2015, 04:03:01 PM

I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.

So the most important thing here is profit? When did this forum become a corporation?

There's no doubt that signature campaigns bring a vast amount of traffic and activity to this site but it shouldn't be at the expense of the overall quality of the forum which is drastically degraded because of a couple of campaigns not doing anything to curb spam and paying newbs to shitpost daily without any consequence. There's at least a hundred users on yobit and secondstrade that could do with a weeks ban or more until they get the message (not to mention the campaigns themselves). These problem campaigns and users on them shouldn't be allowed to continue the way they are currently without punishments. If every campaign only accepted decent posters and didn't pay shitposters spammers would have no where to go and be forced to improve their posts if they want to earn. Many of the higher paying campaigns already do this but it's futile when spammers just get rejected when they know they will be accepted by yobit or secondstrade regardless of how shitty their posts are. If every campaign only paid decent posters the forum would clean itself up of sigspam naturally but this isn't going to happen without the co-operation of all the campaigns and if the problem ones don't clean up their act they should be forced to either with bans or blocking their signatures all together.

Quote from: minifrij on October 11, 2015, 04:49:23 PM

Call me biased as I am wearing one, but I don't think a paid signature is really the problem. I see (new) members spamming low quality posts without the use of signatures about as often as I see low quality posts from members wearing a signature ad.
While I am not trying to bash the moderation of this forum at all; all of the staff do a great job keeping the forum clean, I think there should be perhaps some better defined guidelines against what is and isn't a spam post and strict moderation on said posts.
Paid signatures do incentivize spam/low quality posting, but I don't believe that they are the overall root of the problem.

As others have mentioned they could be farmers but it's naive to think that signatures aren't a massive problem. Yes, people without signatures might make shitty posts and there will always be spammers on any forum but when those users without signatures join a campaign they're encouraged to make many more shitty posts and the problem here is there are campaigns that pay for them and it's those campaigns that need to be dealt with as the problem gets worse everyday when nothing is done about it. I agree more action needs to be taken by staff too but the admins have better and more important issues to handle than dealing with the massive amount of spammers especially when it should be the campaigns themselves that are doing the moderating on these matters.

Quote from: Quickseller on October 11, 2015, 06:12:45 PM

I think the most obvious solution is more transparency as to how much individual campaigns, and individual campaign managers harm the forum. The forum could publish how many posts were deleted every week from people who are participating in individual campaigns (and in campaigns managed by specific campaign managers), the forum could publish how many users are banned (for insubstantial posts + paid signatures, and other reasons) in individual campaigns and in campaigns managed by individual campaign managers.

I imagine it would be very difficult if not impossible to collect this sort of data but we can see it's a lot. Just take a look in the spammy off topic threads & giveaways in Games and Rounds and you'll see massive amounts of yobit and secondstrade signatures making one/two/three word posts or half-assed sentences at the most.

Quote from: Quickseller on October 11, 2015, 06:12:45 PM

From the looks of it, the market is engaging in somewhat of self-regulation. For example, the fact that marcotheminer was entrusted by bit-x with 50BTC, and paid out participants with that 50BTC without incident would imply that many others would trust him to manage additional signature campaigns, however this largely has not been the case. On the other hand, carra23, who has essentially zero prior trading history, which would imply that she should not be trusted with large amounts of bitcoin, has been able to do (what I think more of less everyone would agree is) a good job of preventing low quality posters from entering her campaigns, and when low quality posters do get into her campaigns, she does a good job of managing the low quality posts, and as a result she has been able to generate a large amounts of additional business.

Cara actively seeks new campaigns out and pesters existing business on here to start them so that's why he is running a lot. Marco is fully employed by bit-x it seems so he probably doesn't have time nor actively seeks out new business.

Quote from: cjmoles on October 11, 2015, 11:25:07 PM

If we are tolerant, overtime, they will become more knowledgeable and contribute more constructive posts.

Anyway, once these "garbage posters" get up enough coin to have some skin in the game...they'll realize the value of the technology, their interests will bloom, and their attitudes toward the forum will become more constructive. And, those who do not become enlightened by the technology will disappear.

This is quite a naive assumption and the problem here is we have been tolerant of spam and spammy campaigns for far too long. People can learn about bitcoin and earn at the same time but that's almost certainly not what is happening with half the people on these spammy campaigns. These garbage posters are greedy and lazy and wont stop at any amount. They keep making garbage posts that get worse day after day because they know they can get paid for them. Why bother even writing a half-assed sentence when you can just make posts like these and get paid for them:

Quote from: mattiadeabtc on October 12, 2015, 07:20:22 AM

beer, and i love all kind of tea

Quote from: mattiadeabtc on October 12, 2015, 08:33:44 AM

Coindesk and youtube mainly

Quote from: mattiadeabtc on October 12, 2015, 07:12:42 AM

ali-g

Quote from: mattiadeabtc on October 12, 2015, 06:58:10 AM

of course no.

Quote from: mattiadeabtc on October 12, 2015, 06:59:54 AM

peach tea

+15 more today.

Are you telling me he should be allowed to make and get paid for those posts? What's he learning about bitcoin there when all of his posts are in off-topic? He does the same thing 20 times a day because his campaign only pays for 20 posts and users like him are the vast majority on yobit and secondstrade. If you check out his profile you will also see he has been marked as a scammer by several people and is showing up red and most campaigns wont accept such users but yobit will at a discounted rate because they don't care who advertises for them as long as they do and their advert is plastered everywhere and that's why something needs to be done about them because they have absolutely no interest in this forum other than to make money and they don't care what damage they do in the process.