Quote from: t-nelson on October 22, 2015, 09:37:52 PM

Quote from: NiceHashSupport on October 22, 2015, 07:19:25 PM

I am posting this here, because so many mining software coders gathered in arguing, just in case you are not following us on twitter or did not see it mentioned on NiceHash.

To all ccminer, sgminer, cgminer coders, kernel tweakers and code optimizers, we have plenty of jobs available for you. Please, check them out here: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=jobs

Heh, those bounties are a joke, right? You guys probably ROI the lot of them in <24hrs.

Nicehash is a cloud mining service, no different then a pool. They ROI based off of a miner fee, which I've been pushing for... since... well you know. If their plebs gain more hash, so do they. It pays for them to keep their customers in business, much the same that it pays devs to keep miners in business. Apparently their scope isn't as nearly limited though.

If you think they're getting the bigger piece of the pie, well, perhaps you should consider adding a fee to your miner instead of taking a straight BTC bounty. Here I thought people were complaining about mining fees making no money too...

This completely puts aside the fact that the improvements aren't REQUIRED to work with their pool, which is how they get paid.

Quote from: sp_ on October 23, 2015, 07:42:52 AM

Quote from: zTheWolfz on October 23, 2015, 05:09:56 AM

I just went by what the help said, maybe I over looked something, but the --help said whirlpoolx --algo=whirlpoolx
Doesn't really matter was only playing around as a test. No real interest in any of those coins.
Thanks for your help.

I just added whirl (old whirlpool) in release 71. Run with:

-a whirl

This is the old whirlpool algo. You can use it to mine joincoin.

Yeah, I tried using this the other night, I didn't see a block in about thirty minutes or an accepted share so I stopped.

Quote from: pallas on October 23, 2015, 08:03:45 AM

Quote from: sp_ on October 23, 2015, 07:45:33 AM

I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC. Grin

(amd r9 280x)
125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.
Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.
500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.

I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)

THIS is what a real company does... also why I said it's entirely possible for a company to be founded around mining development. It's just a small tip of the iceberg. I really don't think anyone has taken a look at how much 2% for a fee can add up to be. This is also how 'cloud mining services' that lease hash make their money.

Quote from: theotherme on October 23, 2015, 10:51:21 AM

Quote from: sp_ on October 23, 2015, 09:27:24 AM

Quote from: theotherme on October 23, 2015, 09:09:28 AM

Quote from: NiceHashSupport on October 23, 2015, 08:08:43 AM

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

is it even possible ? (I mean one can't increase the hashrate to infinity...)
Also I never looked much into quark because an other dev was already working on it (ie yourself...) and was working on other things as well.

It doesn't need to. Cryptos are all relative. If someone is producing the same amount of hash per unit (say a 280x or a 970) as someone else, that's the baseline it needs to be improved over. Ideal situation is one where kernels don't matter as everyone gets the same hashrate. They don't need to go to infinity, they just need to be as fast as the fastest kernel, which definitely could be done as the larger the hashrate increase, the more time that has to be spent on development and the less return that is received. Eventually developers will find it really hard to improve kernels, which is the best possible scenario.

Quote from: sp_ on October 23, 2015, 11:12:58 AM

Quote from: NiceHashSupport on October 23, 2015, 11:01:40 AM

Quote from: theotherme on October 23, 2015, 10:51:21 AM

Quote from: sp_ on October 23, 2015, 09:27:24 AM

Quote from: theotherme on October 23, 2015, 09:09:28 AM

Quote from: NiceHashSupport on October 23, 2015, 08:08:43 AM

Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...

I would like to pay you 2 BTC to make an opensource quark miner that does 45MHASH on the 980ti. (50%) faster. This is not a JOKE. This is a real offer.
If nicehash is also paying 2BTC you get 4BTC.

is it even possible ? (I mean one can't increase the hashrate to infinity...)
Also I never looked much into quark because an other dev was already working on it (ie yourself...) and was working on other things as well.

Quark highly unlikely, except if you manage to throw out 1/3 of instructions.
But algorithm like X11 is seriously underpowered on CUDA and this is where we have our interests in.
It also depends which GPUs do benefit. A kernel (and settings) optimized for broad specter of Maxwell cards (not only 750 ti and 970, but also for 950, 960, 980, 980ti and titan) is of course worth more.

I think x11@4,5MHASH is possible on the 750ti(50%), but it is alot of work. Worth alot more than 2 BTC..

In sgminer everybody is mining with closed source binaries. Why don't you make another bounty without the opensource part. The binaries can be used everywhere anyway.. To beat the closed source binaries is difficult and alot of work.. Remember that wolf0 once had his 70% faster x11 sourcecode for sale for 50BTC. Everybody complained about the price, but today everybody is using his work because somebody stole it and published the binaries.

Dash and the other x11 algos have a Net hashrate of more than 200GHASH per day. Wolf0's binaries have generated millions of coins to the miners.

Yeah, imagine what would happen if you took 2% of millions...

I don't think NicehHash's end game here is to purchase beer, but rather kickstart a competitive scene in the algo mining business. If miners go under, so does their business, that's why the're trying to stimulate growth with a injection.

I feel as though they really need to go outside of the community though and hire professional talent. It's hard to imagine them getting away from the greed and corruption in the mining community itself. I think they have the capital to do this as well. It's actually sorta interesting that they've chosen to offer a bounty on open source, rather then give out a miner with a 2% fee for instance.

In two pages we literally just saw meaty BTC bounties being offered and then the majority of the devs set fire to it because it competes with their private sales. That is the definition of price gouging.

People really need to take what a lot of the devs say around here with a grain of salt. Any open source or even public closed-source kernels compete with their private kernel sales and therefore they don't want it to happen. You can see the fat-cat big miners popping out from the wood work in the last couple pages too.

And yeah, I'm getting pretty close to shutting off my hardware as well. I hope after BTC prices equalize, vested interest goes back to alt coins, that's usually the way it works when there is a BTC pump, the rest of the cryptos get squeezed.

I agree, this needs a new thread. There needs to be more competition.

It's not my money Nicehash, but if I had the resources I'd definitely consider making a 2% fee public-private miner as a separate service from Nicehash (maybe with a .5% fee discount if used on Nicehash). The bounties need to be competitive with the amount of work it takes to make the increases too, which is why it sounds like everything is negotiable. Most developers really suck at dealing with money though (if you couldn't tell based on this thread), so it needs to appeal to them as well.

I'd actually say such a endeavor would greatly benefit the alt-coin crypto mining scene and would make you guys money as well. This is coming from someone who has had to restructure his mining operation two times already, from AMD hardware, to HD mining, back to Nvidia hardware, it's the same story every time. Private kernels are the ASICs of alt coins... Only there is no open market, so not everyone can buy them or even see them.

Hell, you could even make a marketplace for closed source kernels and make it so it drops into whatever mining program you want. People can see kernels available and purchase them there. THAT would even be a step in the right direction. Part of the problem right now is people can't even purchase the damn private kernels if they want to or know they exist.