Quote from: creativex on October 17, 2012, 12:44:43 AM

Quote from: Inaba on October 17, 2012, 12:03:02 AM

Far fetched? Really? I think not, we are actually being conservative in our power announcements in case there is any unexpected difficulties. Can you tell me how you arrived at your flawed conclusions? Why are we talking about BFL again, though? Lets talk about bASIC since it's a bASIC thread.

The only reason I am here is because Tom is lying about BFLs power. I am responding to his lies, and since he seems to know our power situation better than we do, it must mean he knows HIS power situation and is not sharing it with his customers. I would like to know why that is.

I thought you didn't have a prototype Josh? If that's the case how can you be so certain that BFL's power consumption numbers are so very conservative? 1w/Gh is it? Hasn't BFL been way off previously?

When did Tom lie about BFL's power numbers? If you don't have a working final product and you don't have a prototype, then aren't BFL's power consumption numbers by definition an estimate? Also, he said competitorS, and Avalon's estimates are much higher and far less narrowly defined than BFL's. Given BFL's track record on this issue, I too am inclined to doubt the validity of BFL's power consumption claims. Time will reveal all things, but your question here has been asked and answered.

Where? Right here:

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Quote from: cablepair on October 15, 2012, 03:38:20 PM

Sure I can post a "simulated" or "estimated" power usage number - but its not going to be accurate. You really think BFL is going to give 1Gh/s per watt? keep dreaming.

These energy efficiency numbers from my competitors are simply estimates and are not going to be accurate. I give you my personal guarantee that our products will have energy efficiency that is competitive to any other ASIC product on the market.

I also want to know what is "competitive." Is 2x the power consumption considered "competitive?" (Personally, I think 10 - 20% is competitive, not +100%, but I want to know what Tom's definition is.)

Again, I don't want to make this about anything but bASIC. Stop talking about BFL stuff (besides, who says we don't have a prototype? I've certainly not said that.).