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Quote from: uwichii on October 30, 2015, 05:49:01 AM

Hey. XT did light the fire under people to get something decided. We need bigger blocks, and the Core developers only care about selling themselves to Blockstream.

So give XT the respect it deserves

Agreed, even if you do disprove of XT, it has still been a catalyst for change.

both of you seriously needs to see the facts, at the moment some blocks doesn't reach even 500Kb but you both insist of increasing to something even higher? This whole block size thing is starting to early for bitcoin and who knows the real data knows that is just pure speculation started in the wrong time, and with this i hope you both can understand.

I think it would be better to increase the blocksize before we need to, as opposed to doing a hard fork at short notice, which could cause many other problems. If the blocks did become consistently full this would lead to transactions being rendered unreliable and more expensive. This would not be good for Bitcoin and would most likely lead to decreased adoption and damage the public perception of Bitcoin. This is the scenario that I would like to avoid by increasing the block size before this becomes a problem.

Quote from: Andreas Antonopoulos

Gavin is right. The time to increase the block size limit is before transaction processing shows congestion problems. Discuss now, do soon.

Listen, if all the block were between 500-750Kb i could see a real debate about increasing the size of blocks, but here we are talking that there are even blocks that aren't even of 100Kb, and we need to think even about the hard disk spaces because at the moment the max size of hard disk that people can buy is 8Tb, if we increase it without considering both the size of blocks and size of hard disks we are going to put limits to who can actually use bitcoins, you don't think so?

With a 8TB hard drive you will be able to store the entire blockchain for a very long time, even with thirty two megabyte blocks. Pruning is on its way and hard drive space is not even the primary limitation in regards to this blocksize debate, bandwidth and latency is.

I have studied history, which has taught me that unexpected things can happen in the world. It is possible that we will see a spike in adoption quite possibly due to some global event. I think that this is a real possibility which I think we should be prepared for.

Yeah what you say but you just overlook one thing, i told that the max space on customer hard disk is 8Tb, but one can't use all the space for the blockchain don't you think? In the last years Operating Systems are taking more space with both the base and updates and there is even the fact that people usually use that space for other things or even worse, have different wallets on the same hard disk.

Anyway for future reference i'm posting the lowest prices of the hard disks avaible at the moment (Taken from Amazon.it so the prices may vary a lot)

1Tb hard disk = 43.37 Euro
2Tb Hard disk = 100 Euro (But at the moment is at 79.90 because random discount)
3Tb Hard disk = 125 Euro (Same as above but at 102.95)
4Tb Hard disk = 182 Euro (Discounted at 142.10)
6Tb Hard disk = 295 Euro (Discounted at 227.36)
8Tb Hard disk = 320 Euro (Discounted at 221.70)

As you may see... every time we ask more space the price increase even all of sudden, i think that is better wait then do it now

If we did increase the blocksize limit it does not follow that all of a sudden blocks would become much larger, in the same sense that we have a one megabyte limit today yet blocks are not consistently at one megabyte.

I have eight hard drives in my main computer, most people use SD drives for their operating system while using larger hard disks for other storage purposes. That you are using hard drive space as a limitation in regards to the blocksize debate seems misguided, bandwidth and latency would become bottlenecks long before hard drive space would become an issue for most people. It is possible to fit more then two hundred copies of the blockchain on an 8TB hard drive. Hard drive space certainly should not and is not a limiting factor in regards to the blocksize debate, especially when compared to bandwidth and latency.