Quote from: tromp on November 03, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

much more fun than working on the implementation.

Actually it is not more fun for me. It is agonizing both in terms of level of thrashing in the creative (art) process and because I have much better daily satisfaction when there is some tangible new code completed every day. Naming is not satisfying because it is very rare that you please everyone with a name and get the satisfaction of accomplishment. The naming is only really proven out in the user adoption market. For example, when I selected CoolPage, I didn't even bother to tell anyone (family, etc) and proceeded to let the performance in the market prove it. I think Ethereum (combined with their slick marketing) was able to get altcoin speculators to wet their pants. I don't think I will be able to do that with the naming direction I am on, because I am trying to think in terms of user adoption. Ethereum was not targeting users and instead was targeting investors. Altcoin investors do not seem to be targeting users either, rather they are targeting each other in a greater fool ecosystem. This needs to change. I intend to change it. So I won't really get recognition on this until I prove it, or fail (yikes).

The most satisfaction I had in a long time was the months of March and April, where I programmed a dating/social network per-per-message site. I was even getting into features such as resampling images on the client side in Javascript so that uploads from mobile phones would stop timing out. The major bummer and probably the reason I came back to the altcoin work, is because I couldn't monetize that site with the credit card model of payment. I needed permission-less commerce micro-payments, but they do not exist on this earth yet.

So please bear with me, I am almost done on the naming. Seems like there really isn't any alternative to Sync (but I want to make sure) and 'bits' works well as a base (as I will explain in the next post as a retort to those who think this direction is "problemmatic", especially yoobits wow so brandable but let that sit for a day or two to see if the excitement sticks).

The Ethereum currency units suck for user adoption. What are they again? ethers, finneys, cubeloids, hemorrhoids, parkersonians, geekalots Huh

Quote from: tromp on November 03, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

But the former should not be an excuse for delaying the latter. Even while coding you'll
need frequent breaks and those are good times to do name pondering.

I don't believe naming works that way. This is why companies have a VP of marketing (e.g. Steve Guttman the product manager for Adobe Photoshop, then the company I worked for on Corel Painter, and later at Microsoft). I been doing that sporadic naming process since 2014 and the result has been a lot of poor ideas, unsettling, and thrashing (perhaps the best from that 2014 process was 'dots' as a social money but I much prefer 'yoobits', 'coolbits', 'cha-ching'). Marketing requires focus. CoolPage was reasonably obvious because one of the market leaders was Microsoft FrontPage, so it didn't require much deliberation. But this crypto-token naming is much more difficult because not only need to stand out amongst 1000 copycoins, but also we are attempting to name very abstract concepts that people normally take as implicit and not universally named (e.g. money). New monies are not invented often. As well this very abstract concept of money that doesn't physically exist and has no authority, yet is verified (decentralized).

Quote from: tromp on November 03, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

I can see you settling on a name in a few weeks, then start coding, and then in a few months announcing that you've come up with an even better name.

It is possible a better name could be thought of in time, but by putting so much intense thought into it now in one focused spurt, then it becomes less likely. Although the permutation space of English letters is astronomical, the cross-sectional space of apt meanings, phonetic beauty, and spelling sanity is I presume much smaller. Not many great names came to me in sporadic thinking since 2014.

Also another thing is that I don't take downtime when coding. My version of downtime is going out for a hard run for 30 minutes, then right back on the computer. When I was younger, I needed a lot of downtime but that wasn't for thinking, it was for sports, partying, dating, and social interaction. And when I did that downtime, I got completely away from my work and stopped doing it (e.g. after several years of working non-stop under my desk on WordUp in my 20s, I got burned out). I am so social that if I don't bury myself, then I will be easily distracted. So for me, the switch is on or off on coding. I don't mix coding with other activities much. Really I am not balanced person. I tend to do either social or coding, but they don't mix well for me because I am an extrovert. I become introverted only because I am totally engrossed in that creative process. So I have to stay continuously on it, yearning to complete the next task, and the next one. If I start mixing going out to social events and then coming back to work, my work falls apart. Because again I am naturally an extrovert and would gleefully spend all my time doing sports, partying, dating, and goofing off if I didn't feel a higher calling or motivation.

What has been so difficult for me since 2012 is that the illness prevented me from doing the intensity that I need to maintain the momentum of being totally engrossed and motivated by the daily accomplishments. I did briefly regain that form in April 2015, and then I fell apart healthwise by late-July or so (ended up on a 10 day water only fast in August, and spiraling into nearly severe debilitation in September). Now I am on a new therapy for the past 3+ weeks, I've been able to go full blast every day (which is so very encouraging but I still have days or moments where I think that debilitating malaise might be returning, but then I amp up the anti-oxidants/supplements regimen and sleep a lot and feel better again, so hopefully I have a therapy/diet that works).

Quote from: tromp on November 03, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

I do have some interest in naming. I was just lucky that my PoW has an obvious name
that seems right in every way so I could avoid spending more time on that part.

Yeah those are beautiful. CoolPage was like that. I expended weeks on deciding on the Art-O-matic name and logo concept (and it was my least successful downloadable software project). WordUp (word processor) was easy because I was so carefree in that young age and just nonchalantly adopted the name from a rap song I liked. Back in those days I didn't even ask anyone's opinion. I borrowed $5,000 from my father and ordered 10,000 units of software packaging inventory with that name on it, before I had even completed the project and before it was even known if I could figure out how to distribute a software product (my first venture). I was much more of a maverick at that age. But I was young and nothing to fear (plenty of energy and time to burn). Now I have to be somewhat more circumspect given my age, health, etc.. Btw, I conceptually designed all of the following (and all the text is exclusively mine in my early 20s) and worked very closely with a (female) artist. On CoolPage and Art-O-matic, I worked with a male filipino artist.

Quote from: tromp on November 03, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

Don't take my suggestion as criticism. It is part joke (with an implied :-) and part impatience to see more of your actual design. Your alias completely misrepresents my sentiment...

I understand. This forum is very difficult to navigate. There are so many different aspects of male competition going on. I am not contented to go with the flow and thus I take a lot of heat. It is difficult to discern the level of support versus other more negative vibes. It would be very difficult to imagine my mental state. Imagine you've been battling against being a zombie basket case, simultaneously trying to do too much and being too controversial. I wake up discombobulated as if been tossed around in a washing machine, because I have so many open threads of work that aren't brought to a cohesive end yet. And so many ongoing fights or undercurrents that come flying out of the woodwork left and right.

I will relish going dark.

If I thought I could do the naming all by myself, I would have. The process of being forced to write down my logic and thought process has pushed me towards refinement. Yoobits did not come from me exclusively.