Quote from: shorena on November 10, 2015, 02:39:20 PM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on November 10, 2015, 12:47:39 PM

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The mass banning may serve as a reminder for others to not spam, be it any thread.

I get why you made the threads and I applaud the energy you put into this. The last ban wave did nothing to remove spam from the forum though. See the BadBear quote, punishment is not working. Punishment never works, it will only lead to better hidden misbehaviour.

I would disagree about punishments not working if they're dished out consistently (though forcing/putting pressure on campaigns to not pay for these posts in the first place would help the most). Punishments do usually work and I think most will change their ways after a ban but you can't just issue one set of bans then nothing for months again (I think the last time BadBear started to crack down on spammers with mass bans was before I was even a mod and that was a while ago). When the last wave of mass bannings went out I did notice a decrease in spam, but over time it slowly increased back to normal and now it's the worse it has ever been. If people are made aware or fear that they're no longer going to be able to get away with shitposting then 9/10 they will either improve or stop it as it's just not worth it for them. We also didn't have campaigns like yobit and secondstrade back then and I don't think any campaigns were using bots to count/pay out either. I think cracking down with lots of bans for the worst types of users will hopefully send a message out but if nothing does improve then I will hold my hands up and admit it failed, but it's something we should at least try and we've got nothing to lose really. I still think pressure needs to be put on the problem campaigns and bans should be issued to them too. If they don't respond to them then some way to block their signatures entirely or manually remove them from users would put a stop to that. It's a shame that a couple of campaigns aren't doing their job because I've always said campaigns could actually improve the quality of posts here but only if signature managers do what they're supposed to and not allow poor posters on to their campaign in the first place and certainly don't pay them if they start crapping all over the place. If every campaign did this then spammers would have no where to go and unless they get up their post quality considerably their accounts would essentially be worthless.

Quote from: shorena on November 10, 2015, 02:39:20 PM

It might be time to get rid of the cookie jar entirely instead of smacking on the hands of the greedy.

To continue your cookie analogy, if you have some guards looking out for people stealing from the cookie jar and quickly dishing out appropriate punishments for those that get caught doing so most people wont be stupid enough to continue and will usually stop, though of course there will always be a few sneaky users who disregard the fear of punishment and try anything they can to get around the cookie-police and continue their thievery/behavior. Those who do repeatedly try steal though will get a greater punishment ie permaban so it's probably not worth losing your account over a few satoshis.

Quote from: shorena on November 10, 2015, 02:39:20 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 10, 2015, 02:27:56 PM

At the end of the day it's up to the users if they want to compile lists here and we're not going to stop them. I'm usually not a fan of witch-hunts either and Staff probably aren't going to post lists publicly but the spam situation has got way out of control and is at breaking point really and sometimes it takes naming and shaming for people to actually pay attention. And there's nothing wrong with making the occasional post in games and rounds or in the what did you drink today thread but when your entire post history is in there or are all like this (myeyes.jpg) it's a problem. I think the biggest issue here is the campaigns and if they didn't pay for posts in games and rounds and off topic or even just actually checked users posts to make sure they all weren't like that then people wouldn't bother making them.

Wow, best formatting 2015. Still this is harmless spam its not destorying a discussion. Its shit in the toilet. I also agree that campaigns and their managers should not pay someone for this as its the easiest and most effective way to remove the cookie jar. How to get them into the boat though. I would think it is also in their interest to filter these users.

Spam is still spam in my eyes regardless of where it is. Just because off-topic might be seen as a toilet to you doesn't mean people should be allowed a free pass to piss all over the seat and floor and smear shit all over the cubicle walls. People also don't need to make sloppy, one word answers in there. I have made several posts - and used to post almost daily - in the what song are you listening to thread but I never just posted the artist/song name. I linked to a youtube video and wrote a sentence or two on why I liked it or what bands they sound similar to if someone else wanted to check it out. People just get lazy and it gets worse when they realise they can get away with it whilst getting paid and that's why they need a slap on the wrist.

Quote from: InvoKing on November 10, 2015, 03:05:21 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on November 10, 2015, 02:27:56 PM

...or are all like this (myeyes.jpg) it's a problem. ...

A guy posting like that deserve a ban but what I don't understand is why staff don't remove their first spammy posts?

Sometimes we do remove their posts (though it is time consuming to remove them one-by-one unless we nuke them) and I have removed a few of his but at the same time if I delete all his crappy ones and leave the good ones it could look like he's a good poster and nothing's wrong when we request a ban. He's banned anyway now so it's moot.