Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

And about what "shorena" said, well i have this escrow guy on my skype, and he also has a website (that i will not post here) and at least he have escrowed my last trades good and i trust him, that "defaulted" loan accusation is from like 3 years ago and that account is not even active,

Shows how trustworthy that person is dont you think? Does not give a damn about repaying 0.08 BTC, but should be trusted with 1.5 BTC. If you cant see why this might be a problem for some and instead blame everyone else I dont see how my rating towards you is wrong.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

so i can post within a scam attempt a skype from a trust circle member acting as mine, then to unveil myself as a scammer and this guys will neg trust him? i don't think so.

Not sure what you are refering to here, can you rephrase that?

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

It's not up to the other part in this case "anarchy" user to investigate and decide if he likes that escrow or no?

Anarchy is the absense of leader(s). You might want to make up your mind whether you think the default trust network is an oligarchy or has no leader. Besides, the user you tried to trade with asked for help. Someone looked into it and found a connection to a known scammer. I can see why this is a problem for you, but I dont understand why you think its a problem in general.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

And, where are the rules who say "If you don't use an escrow from this list, you will negative rep"

There is no such rule. There are in fact no rules for the default trust system besides maybe dont spam. No one forced a certain escrow upon you with a negative rating. You left the table at the suggestion of another escrow agend. Your behaviour raised suspicions.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

And in the hypothetical case it were, where are the insurance this users wont still scam us?, did the staff asked for a KYC at least?

There are none. Default Trust members have scammer in the past. You should take the same precautions with them as with everyone else.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:13:26 AM

Who else applies rules or laws only to the people they want and not to all? again, an Oligarchy

The only thing i see here is that Admins wanted to make a "freedom" forum, but this ended worse than if there were some centralized people
monitoring all the trades and even charging a fee.

PD: Monnt: It's an obvious joke to the system.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

Quote from: Monnt on November 12, 2015, 06:16:20 AM

Oh well. Talk to the DT users and see what they say about this. But I believe most are happy with the current system.

The only way this can be improved without having many centralized people or asking for KYC is to remove that trust circle and
peg it to the activity

So old accounts should be considered trustworthy? My account is older than yours, trust me!

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

and remove hierarchy point levels (i mean, every trade should count only as 1 point on the feedback no matter if it was
made by a 1 year old user or a "vip"), less than 50 activity feedback can remain invisible, put mods to slightly verify each feedback to avoid
fake feedback between users, ban accounts who make feedbacks between them with the same IP,

So you replace default trust with mods that have even more power and can more easily misuse it? Also, how can mods verify the feedback? KYC? This forum would be empty next week if everyone here had to register with their ID.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

on the trust it can also show
the volume traded to avoid having +100 with only 5 USD trades, and give the mods the authority to randomly ask a seller to make
a prove of his funds, if someone sees some user is making "several trades" but always with a small group of people; he can randomly ask
in a trade where for example if he is selling 5 BTCs, he can ask to send a proof of those transactions and if he fails this should result in
perm bans, (no one will easily risk to have his account perm banned via making fake trades), those are hard rules, but this is how successful
trade sites works.
This should be stated as a rule to read before any trade.

You do know that those on default trust are put into place by mods right? If you trust the mods to handle all this, you should trust us. Everyone on default trust was put on it by an admin. Either directly or indirectly.

Quote from: Benjig on November 12, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

The MM or escrows listed as "secure" at least should be asked for a verification with ID and video-call, yeah i know, this is bitcoin
bitcoin was supposed to be anonymous, and yes this is true! but for the final user, my friend: since you started offering a public service with
your responsibility to maintain funds secured, you stopped being anonymous, because the only 99% SAFE anonymous system
in a transactions market is the one made by a machine. I think many escrows will be happy to send their verification
if they can raise the fee for their services, but at the end this will attract more traders here and they will gain real money, and the ones who don't
either they plan to make a fraud or his escrow services are not a serious job on their lives which ends in less responsibility.

Is this how your escrow partner operates? I only saw a PGP signed message. Did I miss that?