Quote from: kaerf on October 24, 2012, 06:46:19 PM

With such high power usage, it seems you'd need to at least double the hash rate to be competitive from a pricing standpoint.

Run the numbers then speak to me again.

Quote from: kaerf on October 24, 2012, 06:46:19 PM

When designing your hardware, please don't assume that only people who can get power for <= $0.10 would like to "mine for profit". Power usage is a significant concern if your competitors are offering 60GH/s @ 60W.

That's not what I said, nor what we at Avalon did. I made a statement on long term mining as an investment, stating if you can not get access to cheap power, do not go into mining.

Quote from: benco on October 24, 2012, 12:52:39 PM

this would be true only in the case that the difficulty will remain unchanged for 5 months, and you know that it will not

real ROI will be, at best, somewhere at 8 months.

8 month based on what? I would much prefer if you have some numbers to back this claim up.

In addition, in case you missed my point. These numbers are made based on the assumption ASIC miners are mining at this 6x or 10x difficulty from day one, this will not happen at all. This is similar to saying the difficulty will raise 6x or 10x before any ASICs are delivered. which as you know, clearly is not the case.

In fact, by stating this 10x estimate, I am saying I predict within 6 month, the network speed will go up 10x, even when by the time all the ASICs become online, and difficulty goes up your ROI to start mining at 6 month later will be 156 days I gave out, which only means one thing, that your ROI will definitely be much less.

I have already gave a really conservative estimate on ROI, unless anybody can show me some other numbers that reach your conclusion of how Power Consumption matters a lot in ROI, I would be much appreciated if people do not speak with such prejudice about power consumption and spread FUD in this thread.

Thank you.

Quote from: crazyates on October 24, 2012, 07:14:57 PM

Good news! Do you have any idea when the non-preorder, retail ordering will start?

Very soon now, we still have more exciting news to release, and after we tackle a potential shipping delay around Chinese New Year. Once we mitigated this issue we can offer a better picture on when these will ship out. Unlike our competition, we will release much smaller batches every week or so, and they will ship out within the week. Meaning our customers will always receive their product quickly as possible and we do not get stuck with back orders which we have to fill.