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Quote from: adamstgBit on November 19, 2015, 04:07:09 PM

http://www.calgunlaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/california-handgun-sales-and-violent-crime.jpg

Man, I'm pro-gun but the way the y-axis on that chart have been selected is deliberately misleading. Not to mention it surely should compare ownership and not just sales.

This kind of thing does not help the cause.

right it seem to have required an increase of ~500% in gun sales to decrease violent crime rate by ~50%

if it saves even one life it is a victory .. here is a fact for ya :: if you do not like our constitution and do not want to abide by it, then you should move to a country that does have a constitution you like and will abide by. ... there ya go your problem is solved.. go feel safe.

your "constitution" has been stepped on in a lot of ways, i don't think it's even relevant at this point.
but i do agree that if you are unhappy with the way the country does what it does then leave.
but this isn't the case, mostly people would like some things to be different, but they don't care about it strongly enough to move. ( moving to a new country isn't exactly easy. )

come feel safe in canada, with justin trudeau legalizing marijuana, we will soon be an even more peaceful poeple.
Grin

when they take gun rights away i very well may leave the usa and eventually denounce my citizenship..... i absolutely hate the abusive high taxes we are forced to pay.. and i hate obamacare too... both of those are great reasons to ditch the usa.

You live in a wonderful free democratic country, there is a stinking mess out there beyong your shores. Vote for a party which doesnt promote gun control. In fact just owning a gun ensures you and millions of others dont have to put up with government crap and they know this. Be proud to be American, fight that rot that is being drip dripped on to you every day to denigrate your own country. The Swedes pay 60% tax to "redistribute" it to feckless no hopers and hundreds of thousands of middle east immigrants who will never make a net contribution and may well turn their country into the same hell hole they've escaped from. The whole of Europe is a failed socialist state. The soviet union has long since collapsed, China no paradise. The Muslim world all 1.7 billion of them unwelcoming to the Kuffar. Canada in rapid descent finds the most urgent measure needed is to legalise pot. Most Canadians I know thought it was already legal, they send enough of their shit into USA. Need I go on! Make the most of it theres no ideal paradise out there, unless of course you are filthy rich.